A few more questions! (ADN vs BSN and... Pre-Req's)

Brinley · Jun 28, 2005

the classes you have sound about right for the ADN schools where I am at.. I do know that most BSN programs include most of your general ed classes with the program but you are still required to have your Chem, and Bio to get into the BSN programs. Good luck to you!

live4today, RN · Jun 28, 2005

Pathophysiology, Pharmacology, English Comp, Human Growth and Development, A & P 1, A & P 2, 1 Humanities class. (That's it!)............................

That's IT??? :confused: I'm SHOCKED that those are the only pre-reqs that school requires! Wow! :eek:

I'm an associate degree grad (eighteen years ago), but geez! My school was no way as easy as your school sounds.

My college pre-req requirements were: Allied Health Math, English Comp I, English Comp II, Sociology I, Sociology II, Psychology I, Psychology II, Introduction to Chemistry, Pharmacology, A&P I, A&P II, and an elective (preferably Speech), Introduction to Computer Concept or the option: Computers for Nursing Students Class); Life Span and Human Development, and Microbiology.

Sounds like your school's program is way too easy. The students are not being educated enough in preparation for nursing. :uhoh21:

Brinley · Jun 28, 2005

That's IT??? I'm SHOCKED that those are the only pre-reqs that school requires! Wow!
I'm an associate degree grad (eighteen years ago), but geez! My school was no way as easy as your school sounds.
My college pre-req requirements were: Allied Health Math, English Comp I, English Comp II, Sociology I, Sociology II, Psychology I, Psychology II, Introduction to Chemistry, Pharmacology, A&P I, A&P II, and an elective (preferably Speech), Introduction to Computer Concept or the option: Computers for Nursing Students Class); Life Span and Human Development, and Microbiology.
Sounds like your school's program is way too easy. The students are not being educated enough in preparation for nursing. :uhoh21:

Some of the classes you are reffering to can be taken in conjunction with your nursing rotation. That's why it's a 2 year program. Most students where I go complete all of the classes you are referring to and then some b/c of the wait lists, but most classes after your basic science, math, and english can be taken at the same time as your nursing classes. No the programs are not EASY, just DIFFERENT than what you knew when you went to school.

GirlCalledJack · Jun 28, 2005

Here is exactly what the information I have says...

Wait List

ENG 121 (Basic Comp)

PSY 235 (Human Growth and Development)

BIO 201 (A&P 1)

Nursing aptitude

Admission list

Wait List Courses

Bio 202 (A&P 2)

Admission to Program

Admission List Courses

HPR 216 (Pathophysiology)

Humanities Elective (AGS core)

Requirements prior to wait list

1. Select maximum of two program or site options

2. Must have application and official transcripts available at college of choice

3. Passing score on the nursing aptitude test

4. Science courses valid for no more than 7 years prior to admission

Requirements prior to program admission

1. Must meet college level basic skills: minimum MAT 090, REA 090

2. Minimum GPA of 2.5 in ENG 121, PSY 235, BIO 201, and BIO 202

3. Complete background check, immunizations, CPR, and drug screen

Brinley · Jun 28, 2005

are there any courses included with your nursing program besides basic nursing courses? Like micro and pharm?? The program I am in requires the following:

Program of Study- Minimum GPA for Admission 3.0

TECHNICAL COURSES

BIO 121 Anatomy & Physiology I

BIO 122 Anatomy & Physiology II

BIO 123 Anatomy & Physiology III

BIO 131 Anatomy & Physiology Lab I

BIO 132 Anatomy & Physiology Lab II

BIO 133 Anatomy & Physiology Lab III

BIO 171 Microbiology I

BIO 172 Microbiology II

BIO 181 Microbiology Lab I

BIO 182 Microbiology Lab II

BIO 220 Pharmacology

NURS 114 Health Assessment and Clinical Reasoning

NURS 115 Basic Nursing Concepts

NURS 125 Psychiatric/Mental Health Nursing

NURS 126 Maternal-Newborn Nursing

NURS 127 Child Health Nursing

NURS 128 Comprehensive Adult Nursing I

NURS 205 Applied Clinical Ethics in Nursing

NURS 210 Comprehensive Adult Nursing II

NURS 213 Comprehensive Adult Nursing III

NURS 245 Advanced Concepts in Nursing

GENERAL EDUCATION COURSES

MTH 135 Algebra

MTH 140 Allied Health Math

ENG 105 College Composition I

ENG 106 College Composition II

PSY 121 General Psychology

PSY 136 Lifespan Development

SOC 201 Introduction to Sociology

SPE 110 Speech

Humanities Elective

Language Elective - Preferably Spanish

live4today, RN · Jun 28, 2005

Here is exactly what the information I have says...
Wait List
ENG 121 (Basic Comp)
PSY 235 (Human Growth and Development)
BIO 201 (A&P 1)
Nursing aptitude
Admission list
Wait List Courses
Bio 202 (A&P 2)
Admission to Program
Admission List Courses
HPR 216 (Pathophysiology)
Humanities Elective (AGS core)
Requirements prior to wait list
1. Select maximum of two program or site options
2. Must have application and official transcripts available at college of choice
3. Passing score on the nursing aptitude test
4. Science courses valid for no more than 7 years prior to admission
Requirements prior to program admission
1. Must meet college level basic skills: minimum MAT 090, REA 090
2. Minimum GPA of 2.5 in ENG 121, PSY 235, BIO 201, and BIO 202
3. Complete background check, immunizations, CPR, and drug screen

Sorry, but that still reads like a very weak associate in science program to major as a nurse. :uhoh21:

GirlCalledJack · Jun 28, 2005

Here's the breakdown for the actual program once I'm in

Core Curriculum Requirements 57

First Year:

NUR 101 Pharmacology Calculations 1

NUR 106 Medical and Surgical Nursing Concepts 7

NUR 107 Nursing Concepts and Skills I 4

NUR 108 Nursing Concepts and Skills II 3

NUR 112 Basic Concepts of Pharmacology 2

NUR 117 Nursing Care of the Childbearing Family 3

NUR 118 Nursing Care of Children 3

NUR 171 Clinical II: Application of Fundamental Skills II 1-6

NUR 172 Clinical III: Application of Medical-Surgical Skills II 1-6

Second Year:

NUR 206 Advanced Concepts of Medical-Surgical Nursing I 5

NUR 210 Nursing Care of Complex Obstetrical and Pediatric Clients 5

NUR 211 Nursing Care of Psychiatric Clients 5

NUR 216 Advanced Concepts of Medical Surgical Nursing II 4

NUR 217 Leadership for Professional Nursing Practice 2

NUR 273 Expanded Clinical IV: Advanced Concepts of Med-Surg Nursing II 1-6

NUR 274 Expanded Clinical V: Advanced Applications in Pediatric Nursing 1-6

NUR 278 Seminar 1-6

NUR 288 Practicum: Health and Physical Assessment for Nursing Practice 1-3

NUR 289 Capstone: Comprehensive Nursing Internship 2-3

Brinley · Jun 28, 2005

cheerfuldoer.. take a list at the courses for my program.. this is how most of the programs in the state I am in look? I am wondering if the OP school includes more instruction in the nursing rotation... I myself am trying to take everything but nursing classes while I am on the wait list.. I am slated to start my clinical rotation in January.

GirlCalledJack · Jun 28, 2005

I don't know for sure what all my school offers, but I plan on taking EVERYTHING beyond what is just offered in the program! There are several nursing courses that are not required, but I am planning to take!

live4today, RN · Jun 28, 2005

cheerfuldoer.. take a list at the courses for my program.. this is how most of the programs in the state I am in look? I am wondering if the OP school includes more instruction in the nursing rotation... I myself am trying to take everything but nursing classes while I am on the wait list.. I am slated to start my clinical rotation in January.

Hi Brinley :)

Your school's coursework looks pretty good, except you only listed PSY 121. Does your school not require PSY 122?

I completed all the pre-reqs and non nursing courses (see the ones I listed in my earlier post) before I started taking the actual nursing courses. It took me three years to complete the two year accelerated requirements before I graduated. (I was married with three kids, so went at my own pace). Once a student begins the actual nursing classes, they must be taken in order and when they are scheduled (no taking my own pace allowed). :)

The actual nursing courses were as follows:

NUR 121 INTRODUCTION TO NURSING

PSY 208 LIFE SPAN IN HUMAN DEVELOPMENT

NUR 122 FUNDAMENTALS OF NURSING I

NUR 125 FUNDAMENTALS OF NURSING II

NUR 126 THE CHILDBEARING FAMILY

NUR 215 PSYCHIATRIC MENTAL HEALTH NURSING

NUR 211 NURSING PHYSICAL/MENTAL ILLNESS I

NUR 212 NURSING PHYSICAL/MENTAL ILLNESS II

NUR 214 NURSING ISSUES

NUR 216 DIRECTED NURSING PRACTICE

NUR 295 TOPICS FOR NURSE MANAGER

NUR 296 TOPICS FOR NURSE MANAGER

(I had a few other soc, psy, business courses but they do not pertain to the nursing program, so I did not list those) :)

sddlnscp · Jun 29, 2005

GirlCalledJack, I think that's a pretty universal set-up for most CO colleges from the research I've done (that's quite a lot!), so I think you're good. :) What I understand is that with the ADN, you have prereqs out of the way and then once you are accepted, you jump right into nursing classes whereas with a BSN, usually your first couple of years are academic studies (math, eng., chem, etc.) and then the last two years are comparable to the ADN degree. Hope this helps. I am planning on doing the ADN and then possibly getting the BSN through an online RN-BSN program once I am working. I have a year's experience with online schooling and I really like it, so this is probably the best route for me. If you are 100% sure you will be going on to obtain your masters, then perhaps the BSN is the best route, but if you haven't made up your mind yet, the ADN might be the way to go because you can always add to it once you've become a RN.