Are online ANP degrees destroying our credibility? - page 20

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I was talking to a private practice doctor about an opening in his practice. Currently, I am employed by the hospital. He told me that they will only consider PA's due to having more of a hard science based training and longer... Read More


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    PatMac, I am attending USA and am enrolled in their Adult/Geron Primary Care NP track. And yes, the Secureproctor camera is super creepy...we get notes/emails from the instructor if they don't like our "performance" during the exam. Apparently, I talk to myself a bit while test-taking...

    Asue, I have quite a few friends who have either graduated already from this program or who are in the thick of it currently. I have yet to hear any of them say something like, "Whew! That was easy!" Many have been happy with the degree/experience they received from the program, but they usually feel that they did 90% self-teaching. But then, that's pretty much the gist of online programs. Some others do have lecture components online or live online chat sessions. Not so with USA, or at least not in my program. People who aren't very focused fall behind quickly, especially if they lack much self-discipline. Procrastinators CAN make it through, but it's awfully hard on them because of the amount of material presented at one time. Makes it easy to fall behind quickly. They only allow one C to be made for any of your courses. After the first C is made, if you make a C in another course, then you must repeat that course. The best way to go about this program to maximize your chances for success and learning is to take all of the extraneous courses (Pharm, Patho, Assessment, Research, Policy, Theory, etc) prior to beginning the clinical portion. This allows you maximum time to devote to the classes that really matter, which in turn allows you to be more successful in clinicals. The clinical portion only begins once a year, and it is in the fall. So spend a year prior finishing up the other courses rather than taking them at the same time. This will save oodles of heartache. And I don't know about you, but I would much rather be thinking of skills to be performed in clinicals than what to write about in my Theory class paper.

    To all, I am not saying that online learning is perfect, or that this program has no issues to be worked out. But, it is what it is. It isn't easy, that's for sure. However, I have taken online courses in the past for a different degree and thought, "Wow. Was that really all there was to that?" So I understand where the bad feelings are coming from and why people think online courses are easy to pass.
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    My mom is a CNM and her schooling was online. I can't even tell you how many years she has been a CNM but it's been quite a while. She has never had an issue getting a job. She has never had an employer who wasn't thrilled with her. She has patients that track her down if she changes employment because they LOVE her. She has a large patient base of...doctors! She is frequently sent patients from doctors so that she can take care of things for them. The fact that she did an online program has never been an issue for her because she's very good at what she does. She runs circles around the other CNMs she's worked with.

    I will be starting a PNP program this September and it is online. I am attending a competitive school that has a very large campus in a major city. This program is only offered online actually. If I wanted to go on campus it wouldn't be an option at this or many schools. I think UofP is the only school in the area that offers this on campus and that would be...impossible for me to do.

    The online program will allow me to obtain an excellent education but still work and take care of my family. I can't go to school at a set time each week. My work would NEVER allow my schedule to be changed because of school. I think online programs are essential in many of us furthering our education. Are there bad schools? Sure, but there are plenty of excellent schools.
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    IrishIzRN


    First of all congrats on starting your PNP program online in September However, if your job won't allow any flexibility relative to your school schedule, how are you going to go about doing your clinicals next year and work too??? There is no way around that, we have to have the clinical time......?????

    Also I am so glad that the online experience has worked for your mom as it has for many others of us who love truly love what we do !!!!
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    Thank you! I have no doubt that I will be well educated even though it's online!!!

    My work won't give me set days off on a regular basis...that is a fact. The clinicals and and such I'm going to try my best to work them around my work schedule. I cut back my hours at work to 2 12s to allow more time for clinicals. I also have on campus time that I have to do and will use PTO time for that or just call out.

    There is the chance that at some point working and this program won't work out and work will go! If the program wasn't online I would have to quit work...no chance it would be doable. So online gives me a hope of working and going to school...knowing that works hours may need to be cut more. I've considered going back to per diem when it gets rough.


    Quote from nursegirl2001
    IrishIzRN


    First of all congrats on starting your PNP program online in September However, if your job won't allow any flexibility relative to your school schedule, how are you going to go about doing your clinicals next year and work too??? There is no way around that, we have to have the clinical time......?????

    Also I am so glad that the online experience has worked for your mom as it has for many others of us who love truly love what we do !!!!
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    Good girl !!!!!!!!!! The job will most likely have to go. Right now I am a DON of a homehealth agency and it can be really demanding......however, it soon will be a thing of the past as well. NOTHING is going to mess this up with God's divine help. Let me tell you, some supervisors hate to see other nurses advance and will sabotage progress. This is our career(s). I do not have time to worry about what others feel about what I am doing. It is not up for discussion...this is my dream and mine alone. So we will proceed prayerfully and seriously moving towards our completed degree. It is really disgusting though for jobs to refuse to accomodate a school schedule but oh well. That just means something better is in the making !!!!
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    I actually think I should be able to keep the job to be honest. I may need to go per diem but I should be okay to keep the position...actually need to keep the position because I get a 25% discount on my tuition. So if it gets bad I just go per diem and I only have to do 1 8 every 2 weeks....I can do that. I'm not a typical student at all. I have a much more complicated life than most and have proven the ability to juggle more than normal...I have 5 kids (1 with CP and EDS, 1 with autism and EDS, 1 with EDS, 1 with EDS and under 2 years of age, and then my 15 year old). I did my BSN with them and still had a 3.75 GPA...and worked 3 12 hour night shifts. So I should be okay working...though may need to do per diem eventually.

    My director for the unit (not NM) told me if I need anything let her know. I'll use that bit if I need to go per diem or need specific times off for clinicals or on campus sessions. I'm ready to work my relationships!








    Quote from nursegirl2001
    Good girl !!!!!!!!!! The job will most likely have to go. Right now I am a DON of a homehealth agency and it can be really demanding......however, it soon will be a thing of the past as well. NOTHING is going to mess this up with God's divine help. Let me tell you, some supervisors hate to see other nurses advance and will sabotage progress. This is our career(s). I do not have time to worry about what others feel about what I am doing. It is not up for discussion...this is my dream and mine alone. So we will proceed prayerfully and seriously moving towards our completed degree. It is really disgusting though for jobs to refuse to accomodate a school schedule but oh well. That just means something better is in the making !!!!
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    wow !!!! you are one of the lucky ones !!!!! i have spoken with nps who have adamantly stated that in graduate np school, it is not easy and is very demanding and that they were not able to work full-time and keep up studies. i do not have to work full-time right now and am going to take advantage of that and hopefully excel in this program. other graduate programs are more lenient and doable but it would take nursing to be more complicated. the grading system is horrendous also and looks like this:


    the following grading system is used for maryville school of health professions nursing program students:
    an overall gpa of 3.0 must be maintained throughout the program.
    [color=#30302f]grade[color=#30302f] [color=#30302f]percentage[color=#30302f]
    [color=#30302f]a [color=#30302f]94-100%
    [color=#30302f]a [color=#30302f]92-93%
    [color=#30302f]b+ [color=#30302f]90-91%
    [color=#30302f]b [color=#30302f]87-89%
    [color=#30302f]b- [color=#30302f]85-86%
    please note: if a grade of c+, c, or c- is received in one course, h/she will be placed on academic probation. if 2 or more grades of c+, c, or c-'s are received in courses, h/she will be academically suspended from the program.
    [color=#30302f]c+ [color=#30302f]83-84%
    [color=#30302f]c [color=#30302f]80-82%
    [color=#30302f]c- [color=#30302f]78-79
    please note: if a grade of "d" or below is received, h/she will be academically dismissed from the program.
    [color=#30302f]d [color=#30302f]71-77
    [color=#30302f]f [color=#30302f]70 and below
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    Quote from kcmylorn
    I personally would not put my license on the line or any of my worldly assets for that matter, to go to an online to get an NP and think I was going to actually be responsible for decisions that effect patient's lives. And to be writting prescriptions to boot.

    But then again, there are some out there who just seem to follow the money and have the cavalier attitude, the consequences be damned.
    I guess that's the attitude that gets alot of nurses today reported to the BON and end up with their licenses taken away and sued.
    Holy snarky comments on this thread, good lord! I am on online graduate. There were problems with my program and I would have loved to go to a B&M school, but being a military spouse sort of prevented that for me with 3 military moves in the 3 years I spent in the program. The idea that I was "following the money" and trying to backdoor into practicing medicine is ridiculous as is the assertion that online graduates have lower exam scores than our B&M counterparts. I speak only for myself and absolutely won't generalize this to all online graduates because I seem to remember learning something about that sort of thing in my clearly inferior graduate statistics class, but my certification exam scores were above the 90th percentile. I feel fortunate that I work in an area where NPs are valued because we may be the only option for primary care. You can have your snobby docs who don't want online-prepared NPs in their specialty practices, I will keep my not very impressive pay and the job satisfaction of taking care of patients that are happy someone will see them.
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    Quote from Bumashes

    Asue, I have quite a few friends who have either graduated already from this program or who are in the thick of it currently. I have yet to hear any of them say something like, "Whew! That was easy!" Many have been happy with the degree/experience they received from the program, but they usually feel that they did 90% self-teaching. But then, that's pretty much the gist of online programs. Some others do have lecture components online or live online chat sessions. Not so with USA, or at least not in my program. People who aren't very focused fall behind quickly, especially if they lack much self-discipline. Procrastinators CAN make it through, but it's awfully hard on them because of the amount of material presented at one time. Makes it easy to fall behind quickly. They only allow one C to be made for any of your courses. After the first C is made, if you make a C in another course, then you must repeat that course. The best way to go about this program to maximize your chances for success and learning is to take all of the extraneous courses (Pharm, Patho, Assessment, Research, Policy, Theory, etc) prior to beginning the clinical portion. This allows you maximum time to devote to the classes that really matter, which in turn allows you to be more successful in clinicals. The clinical portion only begins once a year, and it is in the fall. So spend a year prior finishing up the other courses rather than taking them at the same time. This will save oodles of heartache. And I don't know about you, but I would much rather be thinking of skills to be performed in clinicals than what to write about in my Theory class paper.

    .
    So I've glanced through my plan of study and it looks like I'll have all of the classes you talked about before I start my clinical portion! So I have some questions about how they've changed the curriculum to doctoral level classes? I have like 4 600 level classes...they weren't on the course of study that was on the website. Makes me nervous!!!!!!
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    Lots of posts here. Some good thoughts. And then there are some that are, well, not so well thought out. Before anyone goes and trashes "online" or "brick and mortar" anything, maybe you should do some research. If you have some stats that show that patient outcomes suffer at the hands of online educated folks then bring it. If you don't then go get your grant and figure it out. It is 2012. Many state and "respected" schools are offering online options. Cash cow? That is so ugly and ignorant. They are institutions trying to stay current and relevant. Meanwhile people like me who never would have had a chance (not because I am stupid, but because I was raising a child and trying to support a family) get to go to school. Am I glad that I didn't have to miss work, drive to a campus, park, walk to class, and then listen to a lecturer read out of book or watch a power point? You betcha. I can do that online. Instructor and classmates interaction? I got that out the yin yang. Phone, email, and classroom software (Blackboard, web ct, etc). For the record: nurse practitioner students in distance programs complete the same amount of clinical hours as their brick and mortar counter parts. These clinicals are not online! And my goodness, a physician or a PA threatened by the growing emergence, prevalence, and power of NPs?!?! Say it isn't so! (How's that for snarky?) In reality, most physicians, PAs, and NPs respect each other and get along quite nicely. The physicians I work for are completely supportive and respective of my role. They have stated that they need me, and I am a member of the family so to speak. Yes, we can improve NP education. We strive for that all of the time. In fact that is why NP training is constantly evolving. A static profession is one that will be irrelevant one day. That is not what I signed up for. Just my .02

    Ivan
    Last edit by ivanh3 on Jul 14, '12


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