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USF master's entry-CNL - page 8

Has anyone heard from USF (Univ. of San Fran) for their Master's entry that starts in June?... Read More

  1. Visit  dianajh73 profile page
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    Sorry I did not respond earlier. To my knowledge, the typical MSN classes have 12-15 students or so, but since I am not in one of those classes I have just heard that from instructors who talk about the difference between usual groups and our cohort.

    ELM starts with over 40 and then adds to the group (we had about 20 added) for the Masters portion if students drop out. We lost over 1/3 of our class after they got licensed, and closer to half by the end, but the rumor is that they have changed the program so that students will not be able to get their BSN until the MSN is completed, although they will be able to take NCLEX for RN.
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    Hi dianajh73,

    I heard that Fresno state's ELM program would allow you to go further in your education. Could you tell me if it is true that the nursing department will let you enter the family nurse practitioner program after completing the clinical nurse specialist/nurse education program? That would be great it would be like getting triple or quadruple degrees BSN, MSN in clinical nurse clinical specialist, nurse educator, and family nurse practitioner! How many of your classmates are continuing in the family nurse practitioner program? Are you also entering the family nurse practitioner program and does it start in the spring?

    Thanks
  3. Visit  dianajh73 profile page
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    NO!!!!! LOL

    Most of us are incredibly burned out on school after doing 3 years straight without a break (since the program goes through the summers and winters are busy) and the increased costs (started at about $2500 per semester and now at just over $3600 I think) make it necessary for many to work full time for a while, including myself. Advanced programs are also difficult without more hands on experience.

    CSUFresno is really pushing the DNP (Doctorate in nursing practice), rather than the FNP at this point. Our understanding is that they will be phasing out the FNP in favor for the DNP, but that process may be much farther in the future than I think.

    Initially I know only a few people who considered doing the FNP after this, because the DNP was not started yet. We were told in the beginning that the FNP takes an additional 18 months, although because of changes in the program which allowed us to qualify for national CNS certification in Adult/Gero or Peds, that may have changed.

    As it is, we have to take 2 more courses, after graduation, in order to get the national certifications in education and adult/gero. This would be another reason I doubt too many of our cohort will be rushing in to sign up for an additional program - the fact that the national certifying body changed their criteria and dropped the general certification is not the program's fault, the fact that they wait until rumors abound and did not communicate with staff or students in a timely or accurate manner is absolutely a failing of the dept. and has made most of us ready to be done for a while. In Fall we are basically repeating one class in order to get the national cert for adult/gero and taking an elective course to qualify for the ed cert, which also requires 3yrs full time experience teaching. We also have to pay for the clinical course that goes with the adult/gero class, although we completed it before. We are waiting to find out what kind of "discount" we may be getting since we will be registering for 3 more classes, even if they are technically optional since we will have our state CNS in June.

    Sorry long answer to the question. You do not have to decide now whether you will continue with the Dept. after the MSN, so wait and see how things go. We have also heard that you will not be able to get your BSN until you are done with all 3 yrs, although you will have the RN, so that may play into the decision since it remains to be seen what effect that will have on employment opportunities.

    Good Luck
  4. Visit  dianajh73 profile page
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    Re: FNP starting in Fall
    Due to cutbacks, any program that starts would have to be in the Summer or Fall, because there are no new students allowed in to the university in the Spring at all. This is a budget issue within the state universities.
    Last edit by dianajh73 on May 5, '12 : Reason: clarity
  5. Visit  olvr00 profile page
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    Quote from dianajh73
    Sorry I did not respond earlier. To my knowledge, the typical MSN classes have 12-15 students or so, but since I am not in one of those classes I have just heard that from instructors who talk about the difference between usual groups and our cohort.

    ELM starts with over 40 and then adds to the group (we had about 20 added) for the Masters portion if students drop out. We lost over 1/3 of our class after they got licensed, and closer to half by the end, but the rumor is that they have changed the program so that students will not be able to get their BSN until the MSN is completed, although they will be able to take NCLEX for RN.

    Thank you so much dianajh73, I still have not heard from the department. I am really praying hard for a positive result in my application. Thank you again. Good luck.

    Oliver
  6. Visit  olvr00 profile page
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    hi dianajh73,

    I thank the Lord, my prayers were answered. I just got my letter of acceptance when I checked my mailbox at around 12 midnight when I got back from work. I got accepted at Fresno State FNP program. I have one question though. It says conditional upon proof of successful completion of NURS
    136-Health Appraisal during summer of 2012. Does it mean I have to attend N 136 this summer. Did you take your N 136 in the first summer of ELM? Thank you so much... You've been very helpful...
  7. Visit  dianajh73 profile page
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    CONGRATULATIONS!!!

    It sounds like you will have to take it.
    Yes, we did take N136 in that first summer. At that time, Health Appraisal was only 4 weeks long - I believe that it is still short, although I am not sure if it is 4 or 6 weeks long. I am assuming it is something you did not take during your initial BSN or it is something that they have added in the last few years.

    Again, Congratulations and Good Luck!!!
  8. Visit  olvr00 profile page
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    Thank you so much Dianajh73. I'm going to mail my admission acceptance form tomorrow. I just hope someone here is also attending the Fall 2012 FNP program of Fresno State.
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    dianajh73

    Hi, when is the summer classes starting? I'm just curious since I have not received any letter regarding N136 from the department. I am working full time and I have to work out my schedule. Thank you again.
  10. Visit  dianajh73 profile page
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    May 21st is listed as the start of class for the summer, but I do not see Nurs136 available yet. Afraid you may have to call the nursing department to clarify what you need to do about that class.
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    hi dianajh73,
    My admission letter exactly says conditional upon:

    Proof of successful completion of NURS 136-Health Appraisal during summer 2012 (details will be forthcoming)

    I don't know if I need to complete N136 this summer or I need to give them proof that I had health appraisal/assessment course in my BSN. I also checked the courses during summer but N136 is not available (or not offered?) Can they open courses even though summer classes has started (to make it available)? N 136 is available though in Fall 2012.

    Anyway, I tried to enroll for the Fall 2012 subjects and I was able to do it. So now it shows that I am enrolled in 4 classes.

    Thank you for all the information that you're giving me.
  12. Visit  dianajh73 profile page
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    I understand. We had to take that class as well and I believe it is the only class that is required in addition to regular BSN, but because we were in a cohort that was designed to go on, we took it during our 5th semester of the BSN, before the MSN started in Spring.

    It is not the same as the assessment course that you take at the start of the BSN (1 unit N111 - integrated health assessment). This is a 3 unit Health Appraisal class (more hands on practice using equipment etc...). It is probably just not on the schedule yet, which doesn't mean that it won't be. They are constantly adding and moving classes, sometimes up until classes start. I agree it is odd though. Call and talk to Carol Rainer (she is the one who does scheduling and gives out permission numbers etc...) because you will wait FOREVER to get an email response.

    Glad you got registered for your other courses though.
  13. Visit  olvr00 profile page
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    hi dianajh73

    Thank you so much again. My patience paid off. I was still waiting for instructions from the department and has been planning to call this morning but I got an email from Carol regarding N136 when I checked my email. The classes will only be for 6 days. 5-10pm on two Fridays and 8-5 on two Saturdays and Sundays. It will be in July. I will register online tomorrow. Do you remember if we need any textbooks for the class? Thank you again.


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