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No. 20
from bruinlaura
Old Feb 25, 2006, 10:18 AM

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Med schools hire models like some of the schools mentioned on this thread. They are actually trained to help the examiner (I don't know whether they are doing it right). I just don't understand why all nursing schools don't adopt this method. It seems more effective and more professional.

I also think that there is no way a school can force you to let a classmate give you a pelvic. What about the women who have been sexually assaulted? What about women who have an STI that they don't want shared with their classmates? What about women who are virgins? Health information is protected everywhere else (thank you HIPPA). Does a school have the right force you to share it with your peers? I personally think this practice is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

(Sorry about the soapbox but I was mortified when I heard my school did this)
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No. 21
from Gompers
Old Feb 25, 2006, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bruinlaura
I also think that there is no way a school can force you to let a classmate give you a pelvic. What about the women who have been sexually assaulted? What about women who have an STI that they don't want shared with their classmates? What about women who are virgins? Health information is protected everywhere else (thank you HIPPA). Does a school have the right force you to share it with your peers? I personally think this practice is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

(Sorry about the soapbox but I was mortified when I heard my school did this)
I agree! If I was in a program that forced me to recieve a pelvic from a classmate, I'd hire a lawyer. It's differnet if you're willing...but if not...it's very innappropriate! And I understand about having to know what it's like to be on the other end of that speculum...but I think a note from one's OB/GYN stating that you've had NUMEROUS Pap smears over the years should suffice.
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No. 22
from traumaRUs
Old Feb 25, 2006, 10:48 AM

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I think this practicing "anything" on a fellow student is ridiculous. Sorry...but I've been through LPN, RN, MSN and now an advanced practice nurse and this is too gross to be believed. Yes, I've had children, but I medically needed those exams. There is no way in the world I would ever agree or perform ANY exam on a fellow student. That's what SIM Man is for!
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No. 23
from RN4NICU
Old Feb 25, 2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by traumaRUs
I think this practicing "anything" on a fellow student is ridiculous. Sorry...but I've been through LPN, RN, MSN and now an advanced practice nurse and this is too gross to be believed. Yes, I've had children, but I medically needed those exams. There is no way in the world I would ever agree or perform ANY exam on a fellow student. That's what SIM Man is for!
I totally agree!! I'm glad I've never had to be in a situation with students practicing on one another and I would never attend a school that required it (kind of defeats the purpose of informed consent when you are FORCED).
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No. 24
from gstrahan
Old Feb 25, 2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Gompers
And I understand about having to know what it's like to be on the other end of that speculum...but I think a note from one's OB/GYN stating that you've had NUMEROUS Pap smears over the years should suffice.


Why do you have to know what it's like to be on the other side of the speculum? What do male nurses have to endure to meet this requirement? This is ridiculous and I would absolutley refuse to participate. If they refuse to let me continue with my studies to graduation, I would sue the he!! out of them.

Gina
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No. 25
from Gompers
Old Feb 25, 2006, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by medicgrs
Why do you have to know what it's like to be on the other side of the speculum? What do male nurses have to endure to meet this requirement? This is ridiculous and I would absolutley refuse to participate. If they refuse to let me continue with my studies to graduation, I would sue the he!! out of them.

Gina
The reason I stated that was because many programs say this is their thought behind making students do inappropriate things to each other. By inappropriate I mean having to strip down to underwear to give each other bed baths, doing breast exams on each other, and now this new twist, doing pelvic exams. These schools say that in those situations, your patients will feel vulnerable, so by putting the students into their place, they'll have more compassion for them. I think it's ridiculous. I'm just stating facts here. There is an old post or two on this message board about exactly this topic.

The funny thing is that these schools often don't make the male students do testicular exams on each other. What a double standard!!!
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No. 26
from Nemhain
Old Feb 26, 2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bruinlaura
Med schools hire models like some of the schools mentioned on this thread. They are actually trained to help the examiner (I don't know whether they are doing it right). I just don't understand why all nursing schools don't adopt this method. It seems more effective and more professional.

I also think that there is no way a school can force you to let a classmate give you a pelvic. What about the women who have been sexually assaulted? What about women who have an STI that they don't want shared with their classmates? What about women who are virgins? Health information is protected everywhere else (thank you HIPPA). Does a school have the right force you to share it with your peers? I personally think this practice is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

(Sorry about the soapbox but I was mortified when I heard my school did this)

I totally agree. Any nursing instructor who requires this of her students should also be made to take off her own clothes and let all of her students see "the goods" and give her a breast/pelvic exam. There is a good time for NP students to practice breast/pelvic exams, and it's called CLINICALS.

Let's see...I went through an ADN program without putting a foley cath in one of my fellow students, yet I was perfectly okay the first time I did it on a patient!!! Sheesh!
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No. 27
from NHRNmomof3
Old Mar 08, 2006, 09:26 AM

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I can't believe this. I agree this should be left to clinicals and manicans. The HIPPA issue is a very good point today. I have 3 children, including twins. For those of you that are not aware the standard of care for ALL twin deliveries be in the OR, vaginal or section. I work in a small rural hospital. When I had my twins at 630 in the morning I was whisped to the OR full of 10 people. Believe me I have been completely exposed and at the time modesty was gone, but it was the circumstances and I was okay with it, but I would not be okay with fellow students practicing on me. It would be better as a profession to have a free GYN screening day to underserved areas to gain assessment skills.
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No. 28
from elizabells
Old Mar 09, 2006, 11:30 AM

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Our school had a huge meeting about this the other day, which I did not attend because I am in NNP so I don't have to learn pelvics. But one of their "justifications" is that if someone has a sexual trauma in their past, they can opt out. Oh yes, that's great. One in three women over 18 has been sexually assaulted. Having to make a point of "oh, I can't do this because I've been hurt" is in nooooooo way invasive. How many women do they think are going to feel comfortable with this? I honestly believe most will just grit their teeth and do it rather than publicly discuss such a painful subject. This makes me crazy. Exposing your abusive past is just as difficult as exposing your vagina, IMO. If I were in the class, I'd *volunteer* for the pelvics, but if they told me I *had* to, I'd tell them where to go. I don't have a problem with people seeing my vagina, but if you try to tell me what to do with it, prepare to meet the anger.

The med students get models. Of course, the med students also have a fifty inch flatscreen plasma TV, leather furniture, a pool table, and a nap room in their lounge, while we have a conference table and a computer that doesn't work.

And they say the boys don't have to subject themselves to prostate exams bc there are so few of them, there would be more people practicing on them. I say lubed finger up your tuchis is a lot less uncomfortable than an untrained person with a speculum. Heck, it's less uncomfortable than a *trained* person with a speculum. Whatever.
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No. 29
Old Mar 10, 2006, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by elizabells
I say lubed finger up your tuchis is a lot less uncomfortable than an untrained person with a speculum. Heck, it's less uncomfortable than a *trained* person with a speculum. Whatever.
HA! Right!!!!!!!
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