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Aug 17, 2008, 06:55 PM
Re: Nurse to patient ratios and acuity in YOUR PICU Originally Posted by janfrn We've got a number of chronics now, too, although we're not equipped (or staffed) in any sense to care for chronic patients.
Amen, sister. I just talked to my old extern, now turned fabulous new grad nurse. She informed me that a kid I primaried last summer (renal agenesis, PD) is still on the unit. He's fourteen months old. Holy cow.
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Aug 17, 2008, 11:01 PM
Re: Nurse to patient ratios and acuity in YOUR PICU
We've got a number of chronics now, too, although we're not equipped (or staffed) in any sense to care for chronic patients. Our docs are stuck in the past where the kids in PICU were ALL critically ill so we can't ever relax our monitoring, our documentation or interventions. They'll still be on q1h vitals, q2h narratives, q4h gases, daily CXRs, have an art line until hours before they go home, for heaven's sake.[/quote] Holy Cow! A few of our frequent fliers who only come to PICU d/t the need for a ventilator literally have an order in the chart that states "do not disturb from 2200-0600, may suction trach throughout night as needed." They may not even have IV access!
Glad your going paperless eventually...once all the bugs have worked out, it will be such a timesaver for nursing. | | No. 22 |
Aug 19, 2008, 05:07 PM
Re: Nurse to patient ratios and acuity in YOUR PICU
1: What level of care does your unit provide? (Do you have a cardiac surgery program? Do you have an ECLS/CRRT program? Do you have a transport team? Transplants? Neurosurgery? Complex ENT? Trauma?) We do everything except ECMO and Transplants
2: How many beds do you have? What is your usual nurse to patient ratio? We have 26 beds, typical is 1RN:2pts obviously if they are more acute then 1:1 or even 2RN's:1Pt
3: Does your unit employ ancillary staff such as CNAs or patient care techs to assist with hands-on care or is the nurse responsible for total care of the patient(s)? We do not use CNA's or Techs, we have two secretary's during the day and 1 at night but no direct pt contact.
4: How do you manage breaks in your unit? Here's an area we are truly lacking... we don't get breaks, we eat lunch/breakfast and dinner in the unit, another nurse watches our pt while we run downstairs to get food in the cafeteria.
5: How is continuing education provided in your unit? We have 2 unit educators who are responsible for orientation as well as disseminating information to our staff....monthly "Policy Updates" PALS, Skills and stuff like that but any serious CE is pretty much on your own.
6: Does your unit hire new grads? What kind of orientation program are they given? We do hire new grads, however we try to keep it to 1-2/year. They are given a minimum of 12week orientation and then depending on how they're doing it's often extended.
7: How difficult is it to transfer patients out to other levels of care when they're ready? Do you ever discharge patients home from your PICU? Our issue with transfering out is only limited by space available. Today for example we ended up sending 4 patients directly home because for the past few days there haven't been beds available in the general care areas.
8: What is your turnover like? Our average length of stay is 3.5 days for the patients, obviously we have a few that are weeks and many that are overnight. Hope this helps, the more data the better. | | No. 23 |
Aug 19, 2008, 06:06 PM
Re: Nurse to patient ratios and acuity in YOUR PICU
Thanks, for your input. How's your staff turnover? Do you have a lot of people "taking advantage of other opportunities"? That's what our management says when we ask why we're losing staff left and right, they left to take advantage of other opportunities.
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Aug 23, 2008, 07:50 PM
Re: Nurse to patient ratios and acuity in YOUR PICU
Okay so I worked a night shift, there is one attending and resident there at nights, I think if there is a fellow at nights, then there is no attending, and I was told that the attending only stays at night if there are really sick kids in the unit, and our attending stayed last night. Nonetheless, there is still a physician there. It was a lot calmer than day shift, they did get very busy with one patient, who was a post-op kid, but everyone was there to help and of course the charge nurse was right there. On night shift, it doesn't seem as if there are as many resources as on the day shift, however, the charge nurse last night was one of the resource nurses who comes during the day. Anyway, just wanted to give you the night side of it.
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Aug 25, 2008, 10:47 PM
Re: Nurse to patient ratios and acuity in YOUR PICU
You're all going to think this is a trick question. It's not.
Do you ever take patients off the unit for social purposes? By this I mean taking them outside to watch the traffic, or to the playroom, or just for a walk around the hospital. And I mean ICU patients, not those waiting for beds on the floor. Real ICU patients who are intubated and ventilated, on multiple infusions such as pressors like norepinephrine, with drains or open abdomens. If you do this, what are your protocols?
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Aug 25, 2008, 11:19 PM
Re: Nurse to patient ratios and acuity in YOUR PICU
Gosh... can't say that I have. I did go out an get a bath tub of snow for a kiddo to play with once.
Have you gone on social outings???
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Aug 26, 2008, 12:13 AM
Re: Nurse to patient ratios and acuity in YOUR PICU
Well I usually find an excuse why we can't go. Like there aren't enough RTs to go off the unit for non-urgent reasons, or something. But we have one intensivist who writes in the orders, "Take Jane to the playroom for 30 minutes today. RT and RN to attend. May go physicianless." On Saturday they took one of our chronically critical kids outside... this kid is a hypoplast>transplant x 2 months but inotrope dependent/CRF on CVVH/myopathy of critical illness (no trach, parents refuse)/FTT never out of hospital or off the vent with cortical blindness. When the CVVH filter clotted off and they had to discontinue treatment to prime a new one, Doc Holiday says, "No time like the present... off you go!" Last summer he had us taking a liver tranpslant patient who was actively dying and comatose out for walks because it made the parents feel better. We're not staffed for crap like that!!!!!!!!
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Aug 26, 2008, 07:26 AM
Re: Nurse to patient ratios and acuity in YOUR PICU Oh. My. Gosh. Jan, that is the most ridiculus thing I have ever heard. Only once have I known about us taking one of our kiddos out of the unit, and he was cardiac patient that we could do nothing else for. He was maybe 8 months old, had a trach, and parents had made the decision to let nature take it's course. He had never been outside before, and staff was able to get him out to out little playground/park area with AV briefly for some beautiful family fotos. Glad I wasn't one of them, I had coded that kid more times than I could count, wasn't about to do it in the park!
If one of our docs tried to write an order like that, he'd be bombarded by nursing. That's just crazy, and an accident just waiting to happen! | | No. 29 |
Aug 26, 2008, 10:24 AM
Re: Nurse to patient ratios and acuity in YOUR PICU
That's exactly how we feel about it, and because he's the medical director of our unit and he usually makes these kinds of orders in front of the parents (you know the 'parents' I mean, too), we're kinda stuck. (In our unit we don't practice family-centered care, it's family directed care!) He knows exactly how far away from the building we can go without needing EMS for an emergency, and will even suggest that we sit under the ambulance bay canopy so the kids can "watch" the traffic! A few years ago he left orders that a five month old with such extreme PHN that we were running a Flolan infusion (along with the usual norepi and epi) who was being nursed on an overbed warmer be taken for a walk. The nurse assigned to that patient that day refused and told him if it was so important to him that this kid go off the unit for a social reason, he should do it. The kid didn't go.
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