by Silverdragon102 Staff

We are seeing a few threads on working and studying in the UK for a BSc (Hons) in Health and Social Care at the Anglia Ruskin University or something similar.

Going this route will not enable you to stay in the UK once you have finished. There are no shortage of carers in the UK and even if you are lucky to get a student visa to the UK you will not find a employer willing to assist you to work as a RN as most if not all NHS trusts state they will not assist in work permit unless the job is on the shortage occupation list. Current guidelines for working in the UK is under review and expected to change in November 2008 to a point system and you must pass an English exam although exceptions if you are from a majority English speaking country. Plus EU requirements are employ own citizen first then EU before anywhere else in the world. If you are caught working illegally in the UK there are consequences for you and also fines for the employer. Student visa requires that you can prove you can support yourself and any dependants that come with your and not rely on the state and not work. Please be aware there are scams around and if any doubt what so ever please contact the British embassy in your country and ask them.

Study in the UK
Working in the UK

This warns on scams in the UK but also for nurses in Norway http://globalnation.inquirer.net/new...ticle_id=59397

http://www.pinoyoverseas.net/news/?p=147

Re: Working and studying in the UK

15 Sept. 2008

I was curious about this BSc(Hons) Health & Social Care myself and wrote Edge Hill University about it. Please find their reply, below. I sincerely hope that this will serve as guide to foreign student about this program.

Many thanks for your enquiry. Unfortunately International Students are not eligible to study the BSc (hons) Health and Social Care Practice course due to the way it is funded.
Before making any application to a health programme you should check your entitlement to NHS bursary funding. The residency clauses relating to overseas student means that Edge Hill University is unable to offer any places on Dip HE education programmes to any students who are not supported by a NHS Bursary, nor do we offer places to self financing students.

You may obtain further information from:

Student Grants Unit
22 Plymouth Road
Blackpool
Lancashire

or

Department of Health
Quarry house
Quarry Hill
Leeds
LS2 7UE

Re: Working and studying in the UK

Good day! How do we verify if a job offer or agency is fake or involved in a scam? I always encounter ads that say something like "study and/or work in UK, experience PRC license not required".

Thanks in advance.
Take care & Godbless

Re: Working and studying in the UK

Originally Posted by gingerbreadman0214

Good day! How do we verify if a job offer or agency is fake or involved in a scam? I always encounter ads that say something like "study and/or work in UK, experience PRC license not required".

Thanks in advance.
Take care & Godbless

I would say contact the British embassy and talk to them.

Re: Working and studying in the UK

I came across this article yesterday:

UK school offers new career path for Pinoy nurses
Monday, September 15, 2008

Filipino nurses could now become licensed nurses in United Kingdom and other European countries and work in hospitals in Europe, local recruitment agencies reported yesterday...
http://www.philstar.com/archives.php...0914138&type=2&

I searched the University's website to verify if there was really a program offered specifically for Philippine nurses and admittedly, I was surprised to find that there is (was I way too cautious?):

BSc Hons (International Nursing) BSc
This exciting programme is now available to nurses from ISA 4U (Philippines) through a work based learning route here in the UK.
You will be working in a placement in the Independent Care Sector whilst you pursue your academic studies over two years.

http://www.herts.ac.uk/gsa_courses/I...al-Nursing.cfm

I am assuming this program is different from what is currently being offered massively here in Philippines same as earlier post of Silverdragon.
Nevertheless, I am a bit wary and thought of posting it here hoping someone can shed light on this whilst I wait a response from the contact ISA advisor.

Re: Working and studying in the UK

Originally Posted by Lightblue

I came across this article yesterday:

UK school offers new career path for Pinoy nurses
Monday, September 15, 2008

Filipino nurses could now become licensed nurses in United Kingdom and other European countries and work in hospitals in Europe, local recruitment agencies reported yesterday...
http://www.philstar.com/archives.php...0914138&type=2&

I searched the University's website to verify if there was really a program offered specifically for Philippine nurses and admittedly, I was surprised to find that there is (was I way too cautious?):

BSc Hons (International Nursing) BSc
This exciting programme is now available to nurses from ISA 4U (Philippines) through a work based learning route here in the UK.
You will be working in a placement in the Independent Care Sector whilst you pursue your academic studies over two years.

http://www.herts.ac.uk/gsa_courses/I...al-Nursing.cfm

I am assuming this program is different from what is currently being offered massively here in Philippines same as earlier post of Silverdragon.
Nevertheless, I am a bit wary and thought of posting it here hoping someone can shed light on this whilst I wait a response from the contact ISA advisor.

Even if you do a course like this it will not give you permission at the end of it for a work permit and stay in the UK as a RN. You will also have to pay international fees which are not cheap

Re: Working and studying in the UK

I have taked a look at this course link and there are a few concerns that I have. Firstly it does not actually offer UK registration, it states taht you can do the overseas nursing program as an addition if you want to but I would be concerned about where they would place you to do this as there are now very few recognised centres for the ONP.

Secondly as with all of these programs it is on a student Visa you are going to have to prove that you are able to support yourself financially during the period of study, and ontop of that you will have to pay the course fees as Silverdragon has already mentioned these are going to be expensive. You will not be entitled to any financial support for this as you are not a UK or EU citizen

Additionally, once complete you will not be able to work in the UK, there are no work permits available for overseas nurses as it is no longer a shortage occupation. No employer, private or NHS will be legally allowed to offer you work as you will not have a working Visa.

The qualification will be of little use outside of the UK / EU and whilst studying you will not be working as a qualified nurse so any expereince you gain will not count as qualified nursing hours.

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Yes, I have considered the financial aspect and fortunately I have kind relatives willing to sponsor me just so I can get in so monetary issues, modesty aside, are out of the question. What I am concerned with though, is the assurance that I can work as a nurse after completing the program which is not clearly explained in the article.

I'm still awaiting a response from the ISA advisor. I'll post it here once I have more information. Thanks for your inputs silverdragon and sharrie. Hope to hear more especially from those based in UK.

Re: Working and studying in the UK

Agencies can promise what ever they want, but they do not provide visas, only the government does and they have a hiring freeze in place as a start as well as the fact that NMC is not going to issue a license to you without significant work experience. Any training that you do over there is not going to be considered RN experience so that takes current RN experience out of the equation as well.

Why in the world if you have an actual BSN would you even consider going thru a second program that would be essentially the same thing.

These programs are only trying to get unsuspecting nurses to sign up. The rest of the EU also has a hiring freeze is place. Would highly recommend that you contact the British Embassy in Manila and get their take on these programs.

When nurses that were in the UK and actually working as RNs for several years are no longer getting their visas renewed, how in the world is a new grad going to be able to get hired there?

Re: Working and studying in the UK

Originally Posted by Lightblue

Yes, I have considered the financial aspect and fortunately I have kind relatives willing to sponsor me just so I can get in so monetary issues, modesty aside, are out of the question. What I am concerned with though, is the assurance that I can work as a nurse after completing the program which is not clearly explained in the article.

I'm still awaiting a response from the ISA advisor. I'll post it here once I have more information. Thanks for your inputs silverdragon and sharrie. Hope to hear more especially from those based in UK.

You will not be able to work as a nurse in the UK, even if you get NMC registration there are no employers that will legally be able to offer you work without a permit and you will not be issued a permit. I know this because I am a UK nurse manager, and human resources are very strict about who we are allowed to interview. I don't even get to see the applications of any nurses who are not UK / EU as legally I am not allowed to interview them

Also it is worth bearing in mind that even within the last month the UK government has made it even harder for non EU citizens to gain work Visas, it is worth checking out the immigration website for further details. Basically, employers are having to prove that they cannot fill the posts from the UK or EU. You will not be given a work permit without an employer to sponser you and they can only do that if the post cannot be filled from the UK / EU.