Re: Working and studying in the UK

No. I haven't got around on inquiring on British Embassy. I'm planning on it though.
That's what exactly my question too? Who would do something like that if they're in their right state of mind right? And that's what kind of sense I'm trying to knock it on her.

Also, she said that they told her that she doesn't really need to go to school once she get there, basically it's just a front but they'll be working there. Hmm... For me, it doesn't really adds up. I told her to think about it more and try not to be so hasty about it..

Re: Working and studying in the UK

A friend of Mine is already in Kent, UK working there was as an assistant carer. she's in a student visa and she paid for like 220,000 Philippine peso just to get there. the Processing of her papers took only 3 months.

I also emailed the british embassy about the study and work programs and here's their reply.



(This reply was from the UK Border Agency)
Dear Sir/Madam,

Thank you for your enquiry.


Please be advised that Entry Clearance in this category must (Student)
be obtained before you travel to the United Kingdom.

For information about Entry Clearance applications, appeals and the
permitted hours of work allowed on a Student visa, please contact the
British Diplomatic Post (the High Commission, Embassy or Consulate)
where you will be submitting your application.

Contact details for British Diplomatic Posts can be found on the Foreign
& Commonwealth Office website at:

http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?...elerate/ShowPa
ge&c=Page&cid=1007029395231

Alternatively, you can visit the comprehensive website of the UK Border
Agency International Group at www.ukvisas.gov.uk


Yours Faithfully,


Immigration Group
UK Border Agency
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And this is from the british embassy in Manila.

Thank you for your e-mail.

I am afraid that neither the British Embassy nor the British Council have
authorised any intermediaries to assist recruitment in the UK. With regards
to this, I would not be able to confirm your enquiry about job
vacancies/hiring in the UK.

Please be informed that it is not possible for foreign nationals (other than
European Community Citizens) to work in the United Kingdom without a work
permit. These can only be applied for in the United Kingdom by the
prospective employer through the Home Office
(http://www.workpermits.gov.uk), which is the issuing authority for work
permits. The categories of employment for which a work permit may be issued
are extremely limited. Unless you already have a prospective employer, you
will not be able to work in Britain. Also, the costs of a work permit are
usually for the employer’s account. If your prospective employer asks you
for money, we advise you to exercise caution as there is the risk of scam.


For further enquiry, please visit the Home Office website stated above or
E-mail them at: indpublicenquiries@ind.homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk.

Regards,
Public Affairs Officer
British Embassy Manila

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I told my friend about these emails but it seems she doesn't care. She told me her pay is 6 pounds per hour which i think is the minimum wage. She's in a student visa for 2 years and she still doesn't even know when she will start her supposed study program there.

My other friends are also applying in the agancy she applied to.



Edited by traumarus: please do not include names of people (as in who sent you the email.) This is to protect their privacy. Thank you.

Re: Working and studying in the UK

Yeah, that's minimum wage, maybe a few p more but not much.

Sounds like a big scam to get cheap workers in who won't complain.
Is this the same above mentioned company?

5cats

Re: Working and studying in the UK

Originally Posted by 5cats

Yeah, that's minimum wage, maybe a few p more but not much.

Sounds like a big scam to get cheap workers in who won't complain.
Is this the same above mentioned company?

5cats

no its a different company. I already told my friend about this but it seems as I said she doesn't care. The most important for her is leaving the country. thats it.

Re: Working and studying in the UK

I've seen this "Study and work in UK" streamers everywhere here in my place. Some streamers promise 90th pesos a month wage.. I've almost shelled out 250th philippine peso to join this study to UK bandwagon.

Yes you earned more than 90th pesos a month. What about your monthly rentals, necessities, and food?? I've heard UK is a very expensive place...

I don't know if this is really a scam or not. They promise working permits in 2 years...

Anyone out their studying and working in the UK?? Hows your life their.

Re: Working and studying in the UK

Just trying to work out the conversions, 90th peso I make is about £1200 each month.

Out of that you will have to pay rent and that will depend on where you live, in London you could be looking at £200 - 500 each week, Bristol £500 - 700 each month. Ontop of that you will have to pay gas and electric, food, council tax, fuel/transport cost. It is very expensive to live in the UK and £1200 is not going to stretch very far.

As for gaining a work permit in 2 years, it may be worth asking exactly how they are going to manage that as the UK boarders agency are making it more difficult to get work permits in an attempt to keep UK citizens in work. Companies are going bankrupt every day here, there is a great deal of financial insecurity and jobs are going to british citizens first.

Jobs for unqualified position will go to UK / EU citizens first, and there are going to be lots of UK citizens out of work with the financial crisis we are having, and you will not be registered to work as a qualified nurse. The course that you will be doing will not class as nursing, therefore in 2 years when you try to register with the NMC you will have difficulty as you will not have practiced nursing for over 2 years.

The UK is not a great place to be trying to find work at the moment, and it is expensive to live here.

Re: Working and studying in the UK

Originally Posted by sharrie

Just trying to work out the conversions, 90th peso I make is about £1200 each month.

Out of that you will have to pay rent and that will depend on where you live, in London you could be looking at £200 - 500 each week, Bristol £500 - 700 each month. Ontop of that you will have to pay gas and electric, food, council tax, fuel/transport cost. It is very expensive to live in the UK and £1200 is not going to stretch very far.

As for gaining a work permit in 2 years, it may be worth asking exactly how they are going to manage that as the UK boarders agency are making it more difficult to get work permits in an attempt to keep UK citizens in work. Companies are going bankrupt every day here, there is a great deal of financial insecurity and jobs are going to british citizens first.

Jobs for unqualified position will go to UK / EU citizens first, and there are going to be lots of UK citizens out of work with the financial crisis we are having, and you will not be registered to work as a qualified nurse. The course that you will be doing will not class as nursing, therefore in 2 years when you try to register with the NMC you will have difficulty as you will not have practiced nursing for over 2 years.

The UK is not a great place to be trying to find work at the moment, and it is expensive to live here.

I just emailed a friend. He is in UK study and work program for 3 months already. To help cut down on expenses he shared his flat with 2 other friends to cut down on rent, electric, gas, food, etc. .

actually this "Study and work in UK" scheme has been out in the papers here in the Philippines today..

take a look at it ma'am http://globalnation.inquirer.net/new...health-workers

Their are jobs after all in the healthcare sector

Re: Working and studying in the UK

Yes Michael there are some jobs but not many, and I have looked at the link that you posted. After the 2 years it's going to be very difficult to stay and work in the UK as unless you fit into the shortage occupation list you are not going to get sponsored for a work visa. The courses you talk about are not nursing courses, and the work will not count as nursing experience so that will be 2 years where you are not working as a nurse.

I answered the question that you asked which was rent in the UK (approx) and the cost of living, it is very expensive to live here and the amount you are talking about earning is going to make it very difficult to live.

from that link it states:

"Thousands of Filipino nurses can fill up the gap in the nursing shortage in the UK by entering the country as student nurses and at the same time expand their knowledge and experience in British schools," Geslani suggested.

These nurses are not entering as student nurses, they are entering as carers. It is very unlikely that any UK nursing school is going to take overseas students, they are usually oversubscribed with UK potential nurses and will be subsidised by the government for taking these over international students.

At the end of the day, it's up to you I live and work in the UK so I know the reality of it. I see the difficulties expereinced by healthcare students every day as I work in a hospital linked to a univeristy. You asked for facts and figures and these I can give you, it's up to you if you take the risk of living in poverty to gain a qualification that will only be useful in a country that you will be unlikely to find work in.

Re: Working and studying in the UK

Ok, let's clarify some things.
Of course you can share a house with several people if you don't mind doing this, to save money on rent.Many people here are doing this, but it can still be expensive. I paid 320 £ for a mini room in Kent. In London you pay easily more, in the north you probably pay less.

Public transport if you cannot walk to work is expensive too.

About the job situation: Actually there are not many vacancys in acute care, that doesn't mean we have enough nurses, we don't but there's no money for hiring more.
To qualify for a work permit in acute care nursing you have to be on that shortlist, all specialist positions. So nothing for new grads.
The study and work program does not offer a nursing degree, they offer studying to become a carer, not a nurse and not a specialist nurse, it has nothing to do with nursing. It does not count as nursing experience. It's a degree that's good in UK only.

So if you look to become a carer in UK of course go for it if you want. But if you look to enhance your nursing career don't.

5cats

Re: Working and studying in the UK

I like what 5 Cats say " So if you look to become a carer in UK of course go for it if you want. But if you look to enhance your nursing career don't.". Yes readers, beleive it or not many nursing graduates from the 3rd world country will grab anything that will give them opportunity to have a brighter future. To those who are from the 1st world country can never imagine the economy of these 3rd worl countries. Take for insatnce Philippines. This country has an oversupply of nurses... just this last board exam, about 90,000 took the board. ( Honestly, I am very puzzled why so many are still enrolling in nursing courses. But to the credit of the government, it has already craked down on nursing school with very low board passers).

As to why people go to the UK and take advantage of this Study and Earn Program, the answer is .... they look for a better life. Though it entails working below the level of a nurse, the salary compensates for it. Plese don't say that the salary is not sufficient for their living costs. I know of about 20 students who are in Birmingham right now who can attest that they even have spare to send back to their parents back home. It all boils down to one's lifestyle.

Yes, there are agents who are getting advantage of this situation. And again and again, concern parties are warning applicants to beware of these "scammers".

The Tier 2, work permit for skilled workers now open doors to non EU nationals. This took effect Sept. 27, 2008 will open doors to these "students" to qualify for care assistants and home carers. I hear protests ..."but that's not what they studied for""they are downgrading themselves", "disgusting", "outrageous", etc. BUT remember, qualifications of nursing graduates from the 3rd world countries is not equivalent to those of the 1st world countries. To prove this point, may I request gradutes of the 3rd world countriesto have their qualifications evaluated by UK NARIC website www.naric.org.uk Chances are your evaluation will be on level 3 or level 4 of the National Qualifications Framewrok.

It is heartwarming to read the pros and cons in this thread. It gives individual a tool to think, evaluate, consider, before acting on his/her plan. Readers, may you be guided accordingly.