Re: Say NO to LPN Progams in Philippines

What a strange discussion anyway seeing that there are allready about 500 000 RN's without a job, and quite a few of them working volunteer jobs.

5cats

Re: Say NO to LPN Progams in Philippines

Originally Posted by vmasangkay

Do you even know what you're talking about? No to LPNs? Will you be your Nurse Manager's assistant when the LPN is gone? Or are you just writing this for article's sake. Yes, its true there is a great demand for LPNs/LVNs. Do not mislead your readers.

The Philippine governement does not recognize the Practical nursing programs that are held there; they do not offer a local license for them to even sit for. This thread is for those that are wishing to train in the Philippines and then cannot do a thing with their training once they are done. None of the other countries are accepting the LPN for immigration purposes. Canada has started, but and with a very large BUT; they require a local license from the nurse and since those in the Philippines cannot obtain one, that takes them out of the running for this as well.

Not sure where you are located, but the fact remains that the US does not issue a visa for the LPN; nor do most other countries. So training alone is not going to permit them to work.

And nurse managers use secretaries as assistants, or RNs. They normally do not use the LPN in this role.

Re: Say NO to LPN Progams in Philippines

Originally Posted by vmasangkay

I'm not referring to Philippine employment. Did you take up nursing to work in the Philippines? Definitely not. Unless you're a martyr.

But this thread is actually on the Philippine Forum as a start, and has been mentioned over and over again; one is unable to get a visa from any country to work as an LPN.

There are over 500,000 unemployed RNs in the Philippines and no jobs for those with the LPN training, since it is not recognized by your government. And have you actually gone thru this training in the Philippines and are now gainfully employed as an LPN in another country?

Think not.

Re: Say NO to LPN Progams in Philippines

Oh wow! This is just so wow!

http://pptsedu.com//index.php?option...1&limitstart=1

Scope of responsibilities Psychiatric Nursing / Fundamentals in Nursing (Lab and lecture) IV Therapy NSG 104 & NSG 105
As far as I can recall from my reviewers, IV procedures (all of them) are exclusive for RNs and higher even in the US. And IVT locally, requires a trainee to be an RN to begin with. And even IVT is already a problem for new RNs due to its limited slots during training sessions.

And the board of directors, it's family-run... no question about it. And from my experience, a family-run school is one powerful money making business.

Re: Say NO to LPN Progams in Philippines

This program says it is accredited by the NLN, Here is the NLNAC web site., not one school is accredited in the Philippines.

http://www.nlnac.org/Forms/directory_search.htm

Also the email saying you take the PN boards in the US is from a lawyer.

Save your money. Only legal way to come to the USA is a BSN.

Re: Say NO to LPN Progams in Philippines

And this program that is telling you to take the exam in the US needs to be reported to the US Embassy in Manila as well as the slimey lawyer that is feeding you very bad information.

There are no legal visas for one to obtain to work in the US as a practical nurse. Period. Any mention of one by one of these schools is going to see you to the highest bidder and essentially as a slave. You would be under an illegal visa and subject to being deported for immigration fraud.

And for the states that require the local license before they will permit you to sit for the NCLEX-PN exam, will not be able to do so since the Philippines does not recognize the training for licensure as well. One of the major requirements is that the country where you trained recognize the training for licensure.

Save your money and report these schools.

Re: Say NO to LPN Progams in Philippines

The only exception to this rule are LPNs who are married to an American and immigrate this way and obtain work later on. I have heard from two personally who have done this.

However, it should be noted that they were LPNs who had also returned to become RNs.

That's definitely something to consider.
I would never expect a company outside the USA to hire me based on a 2-year degree that I got in the USA, I have no idea why Pinoys think that the USA companies would do so.

Don't believe the hype! Go for the 4-year degree!

Re: Say NO to LPN Progams in Philippines

Originally Posted by Hushdawg

The only exception to this rule are LPNs who are married to an American and immigrate this way and obtain work later on. I have heard from two personally who have done this.

However, it should be noted that they were LPNs who had also returned to become RNs.

That's definitely something to consider.
I would never expect a company outside the USA to hire me based on a 2-year degree that I got in the USA, I have no idea why Pinoys think that the USA companies would do so.

Don't believe the hype! Go for the 4-year degree!

But they are not applying for an employer-driven visa, they would be getting one thru a spouse. So there are actually no exceptions to the rule of LPNs being able to get a visa. They are not getting one because they are an LPN, they would get it no matter what job they held or if they were just going to remain home.

But also take into account, that it is also going to depend on the state as well. If the state requires the CES, then one is going to need a local license to be able to get that and in the Philippines there is no legal exam. So going for the training in the Philippines is not going to be accepted across the US, especially since many of the schools are not even approved by your government.

This thread is specific to those that want to go to school there and then think that they will be able to obtain a visa to work in the US. We are seeing very unscrupulous schools sell their students to come to the US under the H2-B visa; this sets them up immediately for immigration fraud and deportation as well as the fact that it is 100% illegal per the US government. Next is the issue of the schools being involved in the recruitment process, this is also a no-no by any reputable company.

Re: Say NO to LPN Progams in Philippines

Originally Posted by suzanne4

If the state requires the CES, then one is going to need a local license to be able to get that and in the Philippines there is no legal exam. So going for the training in the Philippines is not going to be accepted across the US, especially since many of the schools are not even approved by your government.

That is the most important point. I hope Pinoy nurses heed this. So many states require CES (CVS for NY) that it really limits a nurse's ability to work in the long run.

Originally Posted by suzanne4

We are seeing very unscrupulous schools sell their students to come to the US under the H2-B visa; this sets them up immediately for immigration fraud and deportation as well as the fact that it is 100% illegal per the US government. Next is the issue of the schools being involved in the recruitment process, this is also a no-no by any reputable company.

I've had long discussions with deans of nursing schools. I can tell you that as far as the organized deans of nursing schools are concerned there is a complete prohibition of what you are discussing. This is in all actuality an exception rather than the rule. What you have are nursing schools that are very new which are doing this. You will be disturbed to discover, however, that these newer schools have been funded by American companies to manufacture nurses. This goes into something that I would like to see the new administration combat and that is ethical business practices in foreign countries... but I digress.

For Pinoys who are aspiring nurses, however, it is important to stick with established and accredited schools. The schools should have an established campus rather than residing inside of old office buildings. The class size should be manageable (less than 100 students per class) and the lecturers should have clinical experience for the subject they are teaching (this goes for review schools as well).
Since there is so much fraud and corruption here, aspiring nurses MUST do their homework and not go to the nursing school with the best marketing gimmick.

Re: Say NO to LPN Progams in Philippines

Not one of these programs is being recognized n the US as being an approved school. And the Philippine government does not recognize them as well either. And several are not brand new either. We are even seeing programs that have suddenly appeared in both Texas as well as Los Angelese that offer programs here and then clinical time in the Philippines. They are not approved by either state, and unfortunately are owned by Filipinos as well.

They can advertise all that they want, but they are still scamming students.

The programs that are in the Philippines or the LPN program may be owned by Filipinos, but they also are American citizens that are just more interested in making a buck from those that do not understand what is happening. Same way that even though the NCLEX exam is offered directly in Makati, that are offering trips to Saipan to test, so they can make more money on these as well.

They need to be closed down period. With over 500,000 unemployed RNs in your country and the fact that the LPN is not accepted ther for licensure, then also not accepted in other countries as well. A local license is a necessity for the other countries and unable to obtain that in the Philippines.