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Originally Posted by smuggy

"Applying to a state "just to get in" is a very bad idea." -- I have to admit it is wrong, but not a bad idea. Thousands of Filipino nurses who are now in the US applied did this , except for those who were sponsored by the recruiting hospital, or agency. My own recruitment agency filed my application in New Mexico though they intended to send me to New Jersey.

If we were talking about things 10 to 15 years ago then I would totally agree with you.

Things are very different now; the application procedure for international nurses is more complex in the differences from one state to another and a nurse faces far more fees in processing an endorsement application than he or she would even 5 years ago.

Applying to New Mexico and then endorsing to New Jersey today is very complex and expensive. New Jersey requires different things for international applicants than New Mexico does.

New Mexico also requires more now than it did even 2 years ago.

If you analyze the process from A to Z it is more cost and time effective by far to apply directly to the state that one intends on living and working.

There truly are no shortcuts to success... but sometimes there are fast lanes.
Using a specialized application center or signing up with an agency are among those fast lane options.
The problem with signing up with an agency is that often you are both completely at their mercy and you end up earning less than if you had done it without them because of pay grafts and such.

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When I was first licensed there was no internet. Everything had to be done by snail mail or phone. A long distance call was very expensive.

The process has been streamlined. One test score not different scores for different states. The NCLEX was only done twice a year.At one point there were different educational requirements for different states.

No the process has become much easier not harder.

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"Filling out documents better suited for clerical specialists is not."

Clerks who don't know their personal information. Studies have shown that transcribing caused more errors .

Can you post a link to all your studies ? I have never encountered an error in the initial application.


Last nurses do endless clerical documents in their daily role. You have to fill in forms like crazy. Improper use of the forms can result in patient deaths. Better for these nurses to be weeded out if they can't fill in personal information.

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http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/...205255,00.html


http://www.irs.gov/advocate/article/0,,id=97402,00.html

According to my short research people are using computers and not services.

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Originally Posted by Alexk49

When I was first licensed there was no internet. Everything had to be done by snail mail or phone. A long distance call was very expensive.

The process has been streamlined.

Everything still has to be done by mail for international applicants.

International phone calls are STILL very expensive, especially when you have to wait on hold for 30-40 minutes before even talking to a person at most BONs in the States.

The process has been anything BUT streamlined, it is highly de-centralized.

If it was really streamlined then international applicants would have a separate application that is tailored to specifically what the BON wants from them, not having to adapt and adjust on the nurse's end to fit information into an application intended for a US applicant.

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Originally Posted by Hushdawg

If we were talking about things 10 to 15 years ago then I would totally agree with you.

Things are very different now; the application procedure for international nurses is more complex in the differences from one state to another and a nurse faces far more fees in processing an endorsement application than he or she would even 5 years ago.

Applying to New Mexico and then endorsing to New Jersey today is very complex and expensive. New Jersey requires different things for international applicants than New Mexico does.

New Mexico also requires more now than it did even 2 years ago.

If you analyze the process from A to Z it is more cost and time effective by far to apply directly to the state that one intends on living and working.

There truly are no shortcuts to success... but sometimes there are fast lanes.
Using a specialized application center or signing up with an agency are among those fast lane options.
The problem with signing up with an agency is that often you are both completely at their mercy and you end up earning less than if you had done it without them because of pay grafts and such.

I have to disagree with you on this. Things are a lot easier now for foreign applicants because there are only 14 states that now requires CGFNS Certification Program. And I can't find anything difficult in any of the step in the application process, except of course if one is dumb enough not to understand very simple instructions.

What if the applicant wants to work and live in Louisiana? The board there does not allow foreign nurse to apply for licensure by examination.

And of course, there will always be the issue of SSN prior to license issuance. I met a number of nurses who got their licenses from the state where they intended to work, and saw themselves having to do endorsement because their licenses cannot be endorsed w/o an SSN.

Why bother to have a license? Telephonic nursing have reached the Philippines. Call centers specializing in healthcare outsourcing are now hiring local nurses w/ a valid & active US license for UR nursing and Case Management. The salary may not be as high in the US, but at least, unemployed Filipino NCLEX passers can now make use of their hard-earned, and expensive US licenses, receiving pay that is 4x as much as what they get from hospitals.

I have seen you defend your NCLEX application center to the bone... But in my opinion, they have not done their job so far. Why? I asked a couple of these application centers in Manila, regarding the state with the least number of requirements at reasonable cost. Up until now, their answer remain California. Maybe they could do a little research and might find one state very interesting.

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Originally Posted by Hushdawg

Everything still has to be done by mail for international applicants.

International phone calls are STILL very expensive, especially when you have to wait on hold for 30-40 minutes before even talking to a person at most BONs in the States.

The process has been anything BUT streamlined, it is highly de-centralized.

If it was really streamlined then international applicants would have a separate application that is tailored to specifically what the BON wants from them, not having to adapt and adjust on the nurse's end to fit information into an application intended for a US applicant.

Skype is very inexpensive and I use it all the time for international calls. Before the internet age, we often had $400 of phone bills for US calls, now we can call for free. And international calls are pennies.

The information is all online, I am referring to even getting the initial qualifications which most states have on line. US students still have to mail in their application. Why should the US adapt the process for Foreign Nurses? With budget cuts you are asking the states to increase the burden of tax paying citizens doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by Hushdawg

Everything still has to be done by mail for international applicants.

International phone calls are STILL very expensive, especially when you have to wait on hold for 30-40 minutes before even talking to a person at most BONs in the States.

The process has been anything BUT streamlined, it is highly de-centralized.

If it was really streamlined then international applicants would have a separate application that is tailored to specifically what the BON wants from them, not having to adapt and adjust on the nurse's end to fit information into an application intended for a US applicant.

When I have looked on various state BON websites there has always been a separate list on what is required by the Foreign trained nurse

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Originally Posted by Alexk49

Skype is very inexpensive and I use it all the time for international calls. Before the internet age, we often had $400 of phone bills for US calls, now we can call for free. And international calls are pennies.

The information is all online, I am referring to even getting the initial qualifications which most states have on line. US students still have to mail in their application. Why should the US adapt the process for Foreign Nurses? With budget cuts you are asking the states to increase the burden of tax paying citizens doesn't make sense.

Skype is inexpensive FOR YOU
Internet is available FOR YOU

You are still making the same mistake that NCSBN and Pearson Vue and everyone else involved with NCLEX makes... you are still looking at things from the AMERICAN POINT OF VIEW.

People here DO NOT HAVE CREDIT CARDS!!!!!!!

Even though you can access the website by renting time in an internet cafe you still cannot use all these nifty convenience services without a credit card!

You cannot pay for Skype without a credit card.
You cannot pay for ATT and Exam Sched online without a credit card.

There is no such thing as a visa check card here either like in the States.

The information is NOT all available online. Most applicants are getting letters from BON asking for all sorts of additional documents even after following all the online instructions.

Why should the US adapt the process of foreign nurses? Because it is an application for licensure and the procedure *IS* different; therefore the APPLCIATION should be different. This doesn't cost anything in terms of tax dollars, actually all BONs already have separate evaluators for international applicants so having a separate application would actually save them time.
Wait.. if they save time, then wouldn't that also save money? Why yes it would!
Tax dollars saved! All with a little courtesy!

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Originally Posted by Silverdragon102

When I have looked on various state BON websites there has always been a separate list on what is required by the Foreign trained nurse

The point is that the lists are almost always incomplete and out of date. What I see here are nurses who follow these instructions TO THE LETTER and get requests from BON for all sorts of additional items that are actually part of the standard items the evaluator wants to see.

Most emails to BONs go unanswered and being 12-16 hours ahead of the BONs in time delay makes it difficult if not impossible for people to be able to call and wait on hold for an hour or more to get questions answered.

Add to that the fact that US BONs often make mistakes in addressing the letters back to the Philippines (who wouldn't, the address system here is really different from US addresses) that most BON letters to nurses end up in dead letter boxes and the nurses have no idea what is going on with the applications.

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Then the applicants should send their letters by Fedex or DHL.

If they don't have credit cards, I know phone cards are available and plentiful. I have seen them used around the world.

The applicants could also ask friends or relatives to go to or call the Board of Nursing.

Also it sounds like the applicants issue is with the CGFNS or the evaluator not the Board of Nursing.