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I have completed for 2 states and CES as well as CVS and I didn't find the paperwork that daunting. Yes there are differences between UK English and US English colour and color is a good example but you can see and understand what they mean. We have had members post on here to clarify something and have completed paperwork for free and used the money that you would need to pay an agency for something different.

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The instructions for NCLEX application are fairly simple as well as with CGFNS CES, CP, and VisaScreen. Any college graduate, should be able to follow those. Yes, they may be able to save a few hundred for the bulk courier, but there are no "bulk" bankdraft processing. Bankdrafts are made and paid individually at $5-8 each depending on the bank.

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I looked at the instructions, they looked pretty easy, but if you had questions there is a booklet that explains everything.

Being a nurse your life is full of many more complex forms, OASIS, MDS, insurance forms. If there nurses can't fill out these forms which is about there own personal information, how can they complete a complex nursing assessment?

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[quote=Hushdawg;3721977]Actually that is not entirely true, if your license is close to expiration in CA and you have not yet gotten a SSN you can extend/renew the license if you meet certain criteria.
Many states will issue licenses, not just NY. But of course, there are in fact more than 15 states that issue a valid & active license even w/o an SSN. The thread I was replying to was inquiring about NY.

Almost every single state now requires CES or CP certification before being able to obtain eligibility. Now more than ever it is more important to focus on exactly where you want to be and apply directly to that state. What if that state does not accept foreign applications (I just forgot the name of that state)? The point is, we know why Filipino nurses are applying in California. It is cheap and less paperwork. Up until 2006, I saw nurses leaving for the US by the dozen. License issuance in California was not an issue then, because they will get it there. But now, I believe we should discourage nurses to apply for NCLEX in California. With the retrogression, they might reach the maximum allowable time (which is 8 years) to get an SSN.

If the process seems difficult (and for most nurses it is) then you can seek the assistance of a professional application center to help rather than wasting time and struggling over documents written by lawyers and bureaucrats. [/quote]

Hahaha! I am beginning to think you are one of them But that's okay. I wish they will advise the nurses to try states other than California.

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This is just my opinion but I am surprised that nurses in the Philippines even needed third-party assistance with their NCLEX applications. During my time, we applied for CGFNS and NCLEX on our own and that was before this internet age when information is readily available at the click of a mouse. Back then, we had to wait for application packets to come from the mail. Bottomline is, you have to learn to read instructions and these instructions are written not to confuse but to help the applicant. I can understand seeking advice from others who have been there and done that but to pay for a service so that the nurse applicant would not have to bother with reading instructions is ridiculous. That is yet another ammunition US nurses who are against foreign nurse recruitment can use to label Filipino nurses as incompetent in the English language.

I am now licensed in 3 US states of jurisdiction and have not sought the help of any third parties apart from having a relative in the Philippines wait in line at the transcript window at the Registrar's Office of the university I attended for my BSN. If I could do it, so could anyone else.

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I am not trying to beat a dead horse but I just want to reiterate the statistics based on the Philippines alone:

FACT: 20-30% of all applicants make mistakes in the application process

FACT: The average mistake causes approximately $200 in losses to the applicant (not to mention the delay in time of up to a year which NCSBN says accounts for a high number of NCLEX failures)

FACT: State Boards in the USA frequently lose documentation including bank drafts

Those three facts alone stand, we can argue over the causes and such back and forth but these figures are very real.

Silverdragon: Color and Colour are very minor differences; since I've been living in the Philippines for two years I have had to make major adjustments to the way I speak in order to be understood. We are still speaking English words and pronouncing them correctly but the meanings are very different, the sentence structure is very different and it is not something that is easily addressed.
I have friends in different businesses all over the Philippines that are all highly educated individuals from US, Canada, UK and Australia and we have frequently talked about how amazing it is that Filipinos speak English better than many native speakers and yet it is so hard to effectively communicate because the meanings are so different. This is something that IELTS and TOEFL somehow do not capture or correct because TECHNICALLY the english is correct, but the practical use is so different that it causes confusion.
I've adjusted so much to the Pinoy way of English that it takes 5-10 minutes of a Skype call to my parents and friends in the USA to re-adjust to the US way of English!

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Originally Posted by Hushdawg

I am not trying to beat a dead horse but I just want to reiterate the statistics based on the Philippines alone:

FACT: 20-30% of all applicants make mistakes in the application process

Does this only include foreign applicants? Regardless, if someone's having difficulty with reading instructions on a form, can you imagine the kind of difficulty that person would encounter with actual exam questions.

Originally Posted by Hushdawg

FACT: The average mistake causes approximately $200 in losses to the applicant (not to mention the delay in time of up to a year which NCSBN says accounts for a high number of NCLEX failures)

High number of NCLEX failures?...is it because of the stress in the delay of processing or the fact that the applicant has difficulty following instructions? either way, the answer is: LEARN TO READ INSTRUCTIONS.

Originally Posted by Hushdawg

FACT: State Boards in the USA frequently lose documentation including bank drafts

What makes you think that wouldn't happen if a third party sends in you application packet?...to me, that would suck even more if I paid someone to send my application and the documents got lost in the process.

I'm just really leary of the fact that foreign nurse recruitment has become such a money-making business in some of the countries where the nurses originate and to hear that the Philippine is one of such countries is just a shame.

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Originally Posted by Hushdawg

I am not trying to beat a dead horse but I just want to reiterate the statistics based on the Philippines alone:

FACT: 20-30% of all applicants make mistakes in the application process


Are you including US Trained nurses? I have not found this to be true in the USA.

FACT: The average mistake causes approximately $200 in losses to the applicant (not to mention the delay in time of up to a year which NCSBN says accounts for a high number of NCLEX failures)

Once again not true for US residents.

FACT: State Boards in the USA frequently lose documentation including bank drafts

Do the applicants use Fedex to track?

Those three facts alone stand, we can argue over the causes and such back and forth but these figures are very real.

Silverdragon: Color and Colour are very minor differences; since I've been living in the Philippines for two years I have had to make major adjustments to the way I speak in order to be understood. We are still speaking English words and pronouncing them correctly but the meanings are very different, the sentence structure is very different and it is not something that is easily addressed.
I have friends in different businesses all over the Philippines that are all highly educated individuals from US, Canada, UK and Australia and we have frequently talked about how amazing it is that Filipinos speak English better than many native speakers and yet it is so hard to effectively communicate because the meanings are so different. This is something that IELTS and TOEFL somehow do not capture or correct because TECHNICALLY the english is correct, but the practical use is so different that it causes confusion.
I've adjusted so much to the Pinoy way of English that it takes 5-10 minutes of a Skype call to my parents and friends in the USA to re-adjust to the US way of English!

Boards of nursing use IEN for a revenue generating . They are not going to make the process easier.

Second, as US nurse , I believe your facts are 100% for IENs but you are not making a good case for these nurses to practice in the USA if they can't complete a simple process that should be a no brainer. How are they going to complete complex patient care forms when they can't understand the process which is about their personal information?

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Originally Posted by Hushdawg

I am not trying to beat a dead horse but I just want to reiterate the statistics based on the Philippines alone:

FACT: 20-30% of all applicants make mistakes in the application process

FACT: The average mistake causes approximately $200 in losses to the applicant (not to mention the delay in time of up to a year which NCSBN says accounts for a high number of NCLEX failures)

FACT: State Boards in the USA frequently lose documentation including bank drafts

Those three facts alone stand, we can argue over the causes and such back and forth but these figures are very real.

Silverdragon: Color and Colour are very minor differences; since I've been living in the Philippines for two years I have had to make major adjustments to the way I speak in order to be understood. We are still speaking English words and pronouncing them correctly but the meanings are very different, the sentence structure is very different and it is not something that is easily addressed.
I have friends in different businesses all over the Philippines that are all highly educated individuals from US, Canada, UK and Australia and we have frequently talked about how amazing it is that Filipinos speak English better than many native speakers and yet it is so hard to effectively communicate because the meanings are so different. This is something that IELTS and TOEFL somehow do not capture or correct because TECHNICALLY the english is correct, but the practical use is so different that it causes confusion.
I've adjusted so much to the Pinoy way of English that it takes 5-10 minutes of a Skype call to my parents and friends in the USA to re-adjust to the US way of English!

I have made mistakes on paperwork I have completed for things in the UK, mistakes happen and if you follow the paperwork then can usually be rectified quickly and painlessly

I doubt delay in application is a reason why a lot of foreign nurses fail the NCLEX I do believe a lot has to do with understanding English.

Things can and do go missing once arrived at a destination you can't guarantee that going through a third party means it isn't going to happen

I used colour as an example but there are also differences even if you are a native of a country. I have moved around a lot in the UK and lived in several countries and word uses can change even in the same country. Had problems several times using a word that meant one thing where I mainly lived but had another meaning where I was visiting. I just can not see why you have to pay for a third party to complete paperwork when once in the US nursing there is a lot more paperwork that needs completing and there will be no third party there to ensure you complete it correctly.

If people want to use an agency then that is up to them but when answers can be easily found on the Internet for free (not just on this site) then I really think they should save their money for something else

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Originally Posted by smuggy

Hahaha! I am beginning to think you are one of them But that's okay. I wish they will advise the nurses to try states other than California.

Promise I'm not a lawyer.. I actually avoid them whenever possible.

I always encourage nurses to think beyond the application process and think about career paths.

Applying to a state "just to get in" is a very bad idea.