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Thanks for sharing that information, Silverdragon. There are a lot of Filipinos leaving the country not knowing the full information about the program. Another question would be, what will happen to them after 2 years? Will they remain in UK as caregivers or go back home?

Many of them think that they can stay there and work after program. The business or program is proliferating across the country especially in remote areas where they can easily make money. So sad to hear this.

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Originally Posted by gemini_star

Thanks for sharing that information, Silverdragon. There are a lot of Filipinos leaving the country not knowing the full information about the program. Another question would be, what will happen to them after 2 years? Will they remain in UK as caregivers or go back home?

Many of them think that they can stay there and work after program. The business or program is proliferating across the country especially in remote areas where they can easily make money. So sad to hear this.

I seriously doubt they can stay in the UK after 2 years as there is no shortage. I remember a few years ago on work permits not being renewed on Philippine nurses who had been in the UK for 4 years as was not deemed a shortage anymore and the nurses couldn't file for citizenship because you need 5 years to do that, was a bit of an uproar and I think some exceptions was made but that wouldn't happen now as it is very hard if not from the EU to get a work permit at all

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Originally Posted by gemini_star

It is clearly stated that the students will work in nursing care homes. I don't see the point of studying again when you earned already your BSN or already a licensed RN. It would only be an advantage if you are an undergraduate. What is the BSc (Hons) in Health and Social Care all about? Is it like a care giving crash course? I hope UK nurses can fill in with this one.

The BSc in Health and social care is nothing to do with nursing, it is a Degree level program aimed at people who may want to work within the national health service (please bear in mind that as non UK / EU citizens you will not be eligible for a work visa after completing)

It is used as a foundation degree for students who want to go on and study a healthcare speciality, so of little use as a stand alone qualification. And it teaches about health and social care within the UK, so of little use if you want to work anywhere other than the UK.

In other words it will be of no use to anyone who is not a UK / EU citizen

It is a ploy to get your money, get some cheep labour and exploit desperate nurses who then run the risk of living in poverty for 2 years in the UK on poor wages in a country where the cost of living is increasing.

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Hello,
I would like to get an advice from you. I am very much interested to study in UK for the National Vocational Qualification, I think of considering this while waiting for the retrogression in the USA to be lifted. I already passed the NCLEX just recently and will take the IELTS this week. I only had less than 6 month experience in a secondary hospital here in the Philippines as a volunteer. I really find it hard to get a job here as a RN in Tertiarry hospital and I know being a volunteer doesn't qualify as full time experience.

Do you think is it ok for me to be on a study and work program in UK while waiting for my USA visa application to be processed? I do not intend to stay in UK after finishing the 2-year course since my primary destination is US. I am about to pay the downpayment for the tuition in UK this week, its a good thing I've read the posts here, I hope someone will reply here as soon as possible because I really have to make my final decision whether to pursue this or not.

Thank you in advance.

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Originally Posted by trulyblessed

Hello,
I would like to get an advice from you. I am very much interested to study in UK for the National Vocational Qualification, I think of considering this while waiting for the retrogression in the USA to be lifted. I already passed the NCLEX just recently and will take the IELTS this week. I only had less than 6 month experience in a secondary hospital here in the Philippines as a volunteer. I really find it hard to get a job here as a RN in Tertiarry hospital and I know being a volunteer doesn't qualify as full time experience.

Do you think is it ok for me to be on a study and work program in UK while waiting for my USA visa application to be processed? I do not intend to stay in UK after finishing the 2-year course since my primary destination is US. I am about to pay the downpayment for the tuition in UK this week, its a good thing I've read the posts here, I hope someone will reply here as soon as possible because I really have to make my final decision whether to pursue this or not.

Thank you in advance.

To study in the UK you have to prove that you can support yourself completely in the UK whilst on the course. I personally would recommend something more generally accepted than a NVQ course. Suggest you read this thread http://allnurses.com/forums/f235/wor...uk-332162.html

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Originally Posted by trulyblessed

Hello,
I would like to get an advice from you. I am very much interested to study in UK for the National Vocational Qualification, I think of considering this while waiting for the retrogression in the USA to be lifted. I already passed the NCLEX just recently and will take the IELTS this week. I only had less than 6 month experience in a secondary hospital here in the Philippines as a volunteer. I really find it hard to get a job here as a RN in Tertiarry hospital and I know being a volunteer doesn't qualify as full time experience.

Do you think is it ok for me to be on a study and work program in UK while waiting for my USA visa application to be processed? I do not intend to stay in UK after finishing the 2-year course since my primary destination is US. I am about to pay the downpayment for the tuition in UK this week, its a good thing I've read the posts here, I hope someone will reply here as soon as possible because I really have to make my final decision whether to pursue this or not.

Thank you in advance.

What do you aim to gain from doing the NVQ, it is a certificate that is only recognised in the UK, it is not a nurisng qualification, it will not help you gain employment as a nurse, it will not help you get to the US.

In fact you will spend 2 years gaining no experience of nursing because you will be working as an unqualified carer getting a certificate which is of little use.


Personally I think it is a waste of your money and time, you will struggle on what little money you are able to earn on the 20 hours a week you are able to work on a student Visa and your paying money to a company for something which is of absolutely no use to you as a nurse.

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for silverdragon102 and sharrie, i respect both your opinions. but aren't you just pessimists? can you not see the brighter side of having a student visa? to earn and while working there in UK? by the way, i'm Filipino and I just had my student visa for UK. i am proud of my decision.

you say that students are going to be cheap laborers as carers in UK? have you ever thought that it's more worst in the Phils? exhausting work, too many patients, but very very low compensation.

to travel to UK is an advantage itself. not everyone will have this kind of opportunity. plus earning pounds is way more better than earning peso. you might say that earn pounds but spend pounds. but we will be able to send our families bigger amount of money.

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Nope not a pessamist, I live in the UK, I know what it's like and how expensive it is to live here. I know how much I struggle to make ends meet and I have a very well paid job.

Additionally, when you come over here and work in excess of 20 hours your breaking the law and the terms of your student Visa, if you do that quite frankly you deserve to be deported. There are enough UK nationals desperate to find work and because people work illegally for little money thier chances of finding work are less.

I am sorry that there are nurses out of work in the phillipines but I am even more sorry for my own countrymen and women who struggle to find work because of those who work illegally for low pay.

Unless you have significant savings you are not going to survive on 20 hours carers pay, it's not enough in the current ecenomic climate, there will not enough money for you to live on let alone send any home

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Originally Posted by marcusantonius

for silverdragon102 and sharrie, i respect both your opinions. but aren't you just pessimists? can you not see the brighter side of having a student visa? to earn and while working there in UK? by the way, i'm Filipino and I just had my student visa for UK. i am proud of my decision.

you say that students are going to be cheap laborers as carers in UK? have you ever thought that it's more worst in the Phils? exhausting work, too many patients, but very very low compensation.

to travel to UK is an advantage itself. not everyone will have this kind of opportunity. plus earning pounds is way more better than earning peso. you might say that earn pounds but spend pounds. but we will be able to send our families bigger amount of money.

You can call it what you want, but we are being very honest with what is happening in the UK right now and what is going to be happening. You are not going to be paid as an RN, but as a care-giver and only for the 20 hours per week. Anything over that and then you are not meeting the terms of the student visa and are subject to being deported and not permitted to return to the UK. Other issue is that you will be living at poverty level by UK standards, you may think that you will have money to send home, but the fact is that you will probably not even have enough to cover your expenses there at all. You forget that you are going to need winter clothes as a start, as well as transportation around town, etc. This is going to cost you more than what you will be making, you also get taxes taken out of your pay, so you are not going to be taking home the full amount.

When you actually see what it is going to cost you and what you will be receiving, you would be much further ahead to live in your country and earn pesos. It is definitely not a smart move any way that you look at it.

You came here for advice and you were given it. To tell people that live in the UK and are very aware of what is happening there that you know more about things there is just not the way that things should be done. Unfortunately, you will probably be contacting your family to have them send money to you to cover you while you are there. And the training there will not be considered as current experience as an RN, so you lose out no matter how you call it.

I wish you the best, you are going to need all of the help that you can get.

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Originally Posted by gemini_star

Thanks for sharing that information, Silverdragon. There are a lot of Filipinos leaving the country not knowing the full information about the program. Another question would be, what will happen to them after 2 years? Will they remain in UK as caregivers or go back home?

Many of them think that they can stay there and work after program. The business or program is proliferating across the country especially in remote areas where they can easily make money. So sad to hear this.

The student visa will not permit them to stay when that contract is up. There is no way that they will be permitted to remain there and work in any capacity. The visa with this type of program is severely limited.

Next question would be why in the world would anyone with a four year BSN want to work as unskilled laborer and this is what they would be. They cannot do one thing that requires a license, or they are subject to immediate deportation, they will not have a license to do anything there at all. Makes absolutely no sense to me at all. And then one does not have current work experience as an RN either, so that will actually work against them later on. These programs can promise all that they want, but the fact remains that the UK government is not going to have visas as nurse for them later on, and without current experience as an RN, there would be no way for them to get a visa as an RN later on if visas would become available.

Only person that gets helped is the owner of the program that makes money from them; definitely not the care-giver.