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I wanted to point out that this video is from March--it is over 6 months old.
The statement President Obama made that importing foreign nurses makes no sense was made before the US economy took a nosedive, leading to high unemployment.
Now that US nurses are also facing increasing unemployment, what he said is even more true now than it was when he made the original statement.

Nursing students and new grads shouldn't plan on coming to the US anytime soon. The days of importing thousands of foreign nurses are over. Maybe you should look to Middle Eastern countries, since some of them are still welcoming foreign nurses.

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I have to echo that in the USA jobs are very hard to come and I don't know what mid level jobs Hushdawg is talking about, there are mid level positions which require a MSN and certifications.

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Originally Posted by janfrn

I must contradict you hushdawg. Canada is coming close to the saturation point for IENs and htere are still many nurses in the pipeline already waiting for their eligibility to be sorted out. They're laying off nurses in some areas of Ontario and BC, Alberta Health Services is offering voluntary retirement packages to RNs and the first lay off notices have gone out; because of the economic conditions in Alberta right now, many people who migrated here for work are returning home to their native provinces... and taking their nurse spouses with them. The unit where I work has already lost two nurses to Saskatchewan and several others are considering a move there. So all is NOT rosy in Canada.

That's completely the opposite of the picture I was given by a Canadian representative only last week. She informed me that the health care network in many provinces were in need of nurses and would be glad to take foreign applicants.

Interesting indeed...

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Originally Posted by MedSurg32RN

The jobs in the US are becoming very hard to find. An an entry level nurse is just that an basic nurse, most hospitals only require an ASN, and for the most part the ASN nurses have a BS/BA in another field so often they have more education than a typical BSN.

Luckily most of the nurses applying for the USA are also second-coursers with BS/BA in another field. Many are MDs that have second-coursed as RNs.

We aren't talking about Entry level positions for foreign nurses. As I've said, almost all hospitals require 2 years of experience from foreign nurses so the position of hire is not for entry level, it is for mid-level which is where the shortage lies.

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Unfortunately, I have to agree with you on this point janfrn, finding nursing employment in Canada right now, especially full time, could be a real pain
I feel worried for the people who are planning on migrating here and bringing their families, what support will they have in case none of them finds gainful employment or arrangements fall through?

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Originally Posted by Hushdawg

Luckily most of the nurses applying for the USA are also second-coursers with BS/BA in another field. Many are MDs that have second-coursed as RNs.

We aren't talking about Entry level positions for foreign nurses. As I've said, almost all hospitals require 2 years of experience from foreign nurses so the position of hire is not for entry level, it is for mid-level which is where the shortage lies.

Correction.
Although one might have higher educational degree in another profession, it is the highest educational level of nursing degree that carries the weight in hiring process AS A NURSE. At BSN level, those with 2 years experience in a paid position is considered an experienced RN. To be considered "Mid level" practitioners in the US, one needs to have Masters degree and certification as CRNA, CNS, NP, Nurse midwife along with Physician Assistants.

Additionally, many states are requiring one to be licensed in home country in order to receive that states license.
Even RN's with experience having trouble finding positions due to economic downturn here and severe curtailing of filling open positions.

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there are a lot of confusing information here.

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Originally Posted by Hushdawg

That's completely the opposite of the picture I was given by a Canadian representative only last week. She informed me that the health care network in many provinces were in need of nurses and would be glad to take foreign applicants.

Interesting indeed...

Hi Hushdawg, I wish you all the best, and if you want to apply to come to Canada, then good luck.
Be aware that the information provided by immigration officials and representatives overseas doesn't accurately reflect Canadian reality. The process of coming here and getting started is tough, especially if you don't have a strong support network. If you're coming with your family, you need to think of them too: you really don't want your dear ones to be unable to find work and be exploited in a low paying demeaning position. Life in Canada is expensive too. What you believe is a lot of $$$ back home could be just your heating bill in Canada, and you cannot survive without heating.
I love Canada, and I'm thankful I live here, this is not a rant against this country. Just don't forget that this is also a "Land of shattered dreams" for many newcomers.

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Originally Posted by Hushdawg

Luckily most of the nurses applying for the USA are also second-coursers with BS/BA in another field. Many are MDs that have second-coursed as RNs.

We aren't talking about Entry level positions for foreign nurses. As I've said, almost all hospitals require 2 years of experience from foreign nurses so the position of hire is not for entry level, it is for mid-level which is where the shortage lies.

There are staff nurse positions, some requiring experience, there are no "mid level" nursing positions. Even the staff nurse positions that require experience are becoming harder and harder ( but not impossible to find).

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Originally Posted by Hushdawg

Luckily most of the nurses applying for the USA are also second-coursers with BS/BA in another field. Many are MDs that have second-coursed as RNs.

We aren't talking about Entry level positions for foreign nurses. As I've said, almost all hospitals require 2 years of experience from foreign nurses so the position of hire is not for entry level, it is for mid-level which is where the shortage lies.

Are you saying if I was a foreign physician in another country let us stay India, I would take a pay cut and work as a RN while I wait for retrogression is over? Also why would a physician not try to go the MD route ? My daughter recently took the USMLE 1 and aced the test, it was one of the easiest standardized test she ever took. Since this test is based on science and not clinical knowledge I would think foreign trained MDs would do well since they are not at a disadvantage like the NCLEX which can often refer to clinical practice that the student is not exposed to. There is a physician shortage and I believe getting a visa is easier for a MD.