Vaccine Conspiracy Theorists More Likely To See Conspiracy Everywhere - page 3

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"Where do climate change deniers, anti-GMO activists, and vaccine conspiracy theorists overlap one another? According to a recent study, described in Mother Jones, they seem to triangulate on a tendency to believe in... Read More


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    Quote from wtbcrna
    "Where do climate change deniers, anti-GMO activists, and vaccine conspiracy theorists overlap one another? According to a recent study, described in Mother Jones, they seem to triangulate on a tendency to believe in conspiracies. And evidently, according to the study authors, no single theory has a stronger hold on the minds of such like-tending folk as the vaccines pharmaco-governmento-medico conspiracy theory does. According to Chris Mooney, author of The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science–and Reality, and writing at Mother Jones:
    The finding may cast a great deal of light on the strange persistence of anti-vaccine views, which have centered on the claim that childhood vaccines are behind an alleged “epidemic” of autism. This assertion has been rejected by scientists. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Institute of Medicine have both weighed in strongly on the matter; and one chief proponent of the vaccine concerns, Andrew Wakefield, has even seen his original 1998 paper raising concerns about the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine retracted by the journal that published it, The Lancet.
    Yet vaccine fears have persisted in the face of all scientific refutation (not to mention medical and public health experts saying that the failure to vaccinate is downright dangerous). And if these beliefs are often conspiratorial, that might help explain why. Almost by definition, conspiracy theories are irrefutable; rejections by scientific authorities just become part of the conspiracy."

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    Quote from Krzysztof
    How could anyone have ever considered her a health expert at all?

    I get all of my medical advice from Jessica Hahn.
    I'm an Angela Lansbury fan.
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    Quote from Heathermaizey
    She's very hypocritical, isn't she? I did do a lot of research last semester on GMOs. I wrote several research papers on the subject. You are correct that GMOs have been around since the beginning of time. What I don't agree with is how the government is forcing farmers to use them as their seeds. And I don't understand why if they are safe won't Monsanto just say hey, they are safe. I am certainly not a conspiracy theorist, but I just think there is too much shady stuff going on with GMOs. We label alcohol and cigarettes, why not these just so the consumer knows what they are buying? I know alcohol isn't the best for me and I still buy it every once in a while and it is labeled. I have never consumed a cigarette because I know it's harmful for me. I would just like the choice. And fortunately we live in a country where people can make those choices. I feel like the government is taking away my choice in this matter and I don't like that.
    How have GMOs been around since the 'beginning of time'? Even thousands of years before the word 'science' was even introduced?

    And another poster stated GMOs have been around since the 'beginning of farming'? WOW.

    Monsanto has given the 'drink' to people to make them believe that they, themselves, started agriculture in just the last century. Drink it up, folks.
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    Not that any of that has anything really to do with this thread, but yes people have been manupulating crops since farming began. People have picked the "best" specimens as seed for the next season and this has continued for thousands of years. Introducing new specimens, splicing, all have been around for hundreds of years. I think if there is a doubt that we have been genetically modifying are crops and livestock for thousands of years someone just needs to look at the ancient ancestors to modern day cattle and sheep for starters.

    Now, if someone has some peer-reviewed scientific evidence that commercially available genetically modified foods are harmful I would like to see it otherwise it is just more conspiracy theories...
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    Quote from Heathermaizey
    I kind of agree with you and I kinda don't. I don't believe that vaccines are causing autism but something out there is. Something is causing this. What has happened are all of the parents of autistic children are desperate for answers and someone comes along with the magic answer. It's the vaccines and they want the answer so bad they are willing to believe anything. Many of these parents blame themselves and feel like they did something to their baby in the womb. What food did I eat, did I lie in the wrong position, did I have the wrong doctor? They just want to know why. Then Jenny McCarthy comes out and says yes it's true. This is what happened to my son and now I have cured him with this magic diet. They want to believe. So I can understand. I don't think it's a conspiracy as much as it's desperate parents wanting a simple answer so they can put the blame somewhere. I really feel for them. And people like Wakefield and Jenny McCarthy make me very angry.
    ^^ THIS!!! As the mother of an autistic son, you can bet.....

    " What has happened are all of the parents of autistic children are desperate for answers and someone comes along with the magic answer. It's the vaccines and they want the answer so bad they are willing to believe anything. Many of these parents blame themselves and feel like they did something to their baby in the womb. What food did I eat, did I lie in the wrong position, did I have the wrong doctor? They just want to know why."

    .....I have thought all this, and more. My son is now 13. He knows he has autism, and he hates it. He'll even tell you he wishes he never had it. Back in the early 2000's there was a rise in autism rates in the state my son was born. Why? I don't know! I sure would like to know, because then maybe I'd have some insight as to why.

    My fault? The shots? Hereditary? The environment? No one knows.
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    What I find most confusing about the usual opposition to both vaccines and GMO's is that people are will to contradict themselves to such an extent just to be oppositional.

    I know many people who are strongly against GMO's, and they are also strongly against the use of pesticides, chemical fertilizers, and wasting water. Yet some of the main reasons why we give preference to certain traits through 'genetic modification' is are to produce plants that need less water, less pesticides, and less chemical fertilizer.

    Same goes for vaccines. At least among the anti-vaccine crowd I'm familiar with, the opposition is primarily based on the idea that it is too "unnatural", yet these same people aren't as opposed, are at least aren't anywhere near as vocal in their opposition to medicine in general, even though vaccines are much more "natural" than other aspects of medicine. The term 'homeopathic' has gotten confused with naturopathic, and while homeopathic purists will argue that vaccines aren't diluted enough to be truly homeopathic, they do follow the same basic rules; it treats like with like, using a diluted/weakened form of the cause of an illness. Unlike other medicine which often replaces normal bodily responses, vaccines just teach the body how to protect itself using it's own mechanisms, yet somehow it's vaccines that "replace" your immune system. I had a patient recently with H1N1 who wasn't vaccinated for these reasons, but was totally fine taking the tamiflu, which makes no sense to me.
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    Quote from Not_A_Hat_Person
    I'm an Angela Lansbury fan.

    My favorite is Wilfred Brimley. Now that he's hawking diabetic supplies he almost makes it look appealing.
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    I have to chime in because I frequent one of the top international conspiracy sites on a regular basis, albeit one of the reasons is for the sheer entertaining bouts of hilarious drivel. (strange sense of humor I guess) However, like one article said (can't remember off the top of my head) the site is full of some of the worlds most brilliant unemployed.
    Yes, indeed there is certainly quite a bit of rubbish in the conspiracy world, however real history is more appalling than anything these fellows could cook up which is the foundation of these "theories". I could sit here for a year and write out example after example of horrors induced by governments, medical industries so on and so forth. One theme seems common, that the truth doesn't normally come out until after the fact, many times as long as 30-50 years after. Companies who intentionally kill people are given a slap on the wrist for their behavior which makes it more profitable to actually break the law! Example, how Bayer intentionally dumped AIDS tainted medications overseas to save profit.2 Paths of Bayer Drug in 80's - Riskier One Steered Overseas - NYTimes.com.
    There is much conspiracy facts as there are conspiracy misinformation and disinformation. I wish I could rest at night relying on "peer reviewed studies" but if anyone thinks that whole process has been unscathed by corruption: think again. This is an excellent TEdTalk and is launching a campaign. I urge you to sign his petition after watching. People have not only a right, but a duty to question what they see. Vaccines come with real risks and choose not to take the gamble, I can understand that. I believe in the benefits, but also have a real problem with these companies lack of accountability, lack of transparency, dirty tactics, greed, and wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw 'em.
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    Quote from EveUnderConstruction
    I have to chime in because I frequent one of the top international conspiracy sites on a regular basis, albeit one of the reasons is for the sheer entertaining bouts of hilarious drivel. (strange sense of humor I guess) However, like one article said (can't remember off the top of my head) the site is full of some of the worlds most brilliant unemployed.
    Yes, indeed there is certainly quite a bit of rubbish in the conspiracy world, however real history is more appalling than anything these fellows could cook up which is the foundation of these "theories". I could sit here for a year and write out example after example of horrors induced by governments, medical industries so on and so forth. One theme seems common, that the truth doesn't normally come out until after the fact, many times as long as 30-50 years after. Companies who intentionally kill people are given a slap on the wrist for their behavior which makes it more profitable to actually break the law! Example, how Bayer intentionally dumped AIDS tainted medications overseas to save profit.2 Paths of Bayer Drug in 80's - Riskier One Steered Overseas - NYTimes.com.
    There is much conspiracy facts as there are conspiracy misinformation and disinformation. I wish I could rest at night relying on "peer reviewed studies" but if anyone thinks that whole process has been unscathed by corruption: think again. This is an excellent TEdTalk and is launching a campaign. I urge you to sign his petition after watching. People have not only a right, but a duty to question what they see. Vaccines come with real risks and choose not to take the gamble, I can understand that. I believe in the benefits, but also have a real problem with these companies lack of accountability, lack of transparency, dirty tactics, greed, and wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw 'em.
    Yes, but we are talking about vaccines not other medications. I have pointed this out again and again. The profit margin for older vaccines such MMR etc are very small compared to other medications. Vaccines are subjected to much higher testing guidelines/research and are continuously followed for adverse effects all the time. No other medication undergoes the kind of scrutiny that vaccines go through, and that is what makes vaccines extremely safe when compared to other medications. Also, the majority of post-marketing research on vaccines is not funded by pharmaceutical companies adding another layer of defense against companies that would seek to market a inferior product just for profit purposes.
    There will always be people who will put aside safety concerns in order to make a profit, but that doesn't make every product unsafe. There are laws in the works now to make pharmaceutical companies publish all their research, not just the favorable ones, to their products that should provide more transparency to medicinal research done by pharmaceutical companies.
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    No single medication is touted as safe and effective for an entire population, but for some reason vaccines seem to toted that way (with very limited exceptions). I'd like to see what kind of assessment, screening, or information disclosure goes on in every Walmart, CVS, and gazillion other places begging to give me a flue shot.
    Now, there are millions of people walking around with no health problems into older age who have had these vaccines, so that does speak to their relative safety. However it is VERY hard to make a injury related claim against any medication, but for vaccine related injuries there are extra special barriers to protect pharmaceutical companies including the right NOT to inform patients.(Learned-Intermediary Doctrine). I don't think anyone could possibly know the real extent of risks and vaccine injuries because all accountability and liability has been taken away. Truth in Media: Vaccine Court and Autism | Ben Swann Truth In Media
    The amount of vaccines has tripled for young children and the push for vaccines is overwhelming. Whats even more scary is like when you had politicians trying to push mandatory H1N1 vaccines in 2009 and are still trying to push mandatory yearly flu vaccines on the general public. Many people including myself who got the flu shot ended up with the flu anyway, in my case I was sick more often that year than the previous 5 years combined. The media and CDC address these claims as "being in our heads" chalking it up to mere coincidence. Meanwhile, investigations and lawsuits are pending with the HPV vaccine and it's not looking so hot. It seems like vaccine overkill and no oversight. It's certainly doesn't appear to be a non profit campaign.
    Overall, I think it's important not to fall into black and white thinking such as: all vaccines are good, effective and necessary or all vaccines are bad, ineffective and unnecessary.


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