The inactivated Flu shot only prevents the flu in just 1.5% of the population - page 3

by Garethaus 8,461 Views | 31 Comments

Ok, I didn't want to hijack the other flu shot thread so...... I came across this meta-analysis from the Lancet, referred to by the NaturalNews website. NaturalNews link here: And the Lancet meta-analysis: - hope... Read More


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    statistics can be made to be very misleading. CDC uses that to its own advantage also.

    Ask yourself this--how logical is the influenza vaccination in regard to preventing influenza? Please think in terms for EVERYONE.
    I accept that the influenza vaccination has a use in select groups, but for everyone I digress.

    My thoughts on this is that it will have very little overall affect. The Influenza virus mutates and there are many many different types.
    A vaccination that can possibly help protect agaisnt only 3 of the hundreds ( this depends on the individuals own immune systems response to the vaccination too!) imho could possibly help speed the mutation of those 3 into something not seen before? Just like the overuse of antibiotics causes new strains of bugs that are more difficult to treat ?

    I seriously think that influenza can be better controlled by more attention to infection control tech--staying at home ( for a week! not one or 2 days), stigent washing of hands, stop touching your face, cough, sneezing control, dont shake hands, good diet, fresh air, exercise, maybe even a multiple vitamin and conservative use of a netii pot, than depending on a vaccination.

    For example do some reading on what caused TB to become a much rarer infection in the modern world.
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    Quote from MunoRN
    You've got some horribly, disgustingly, atrociously bad math there.

    If the rate of cancer in the general population is 3% and I come up with a treatment that drops that rate to 1.5% in the study group, did I decrease the rate of cancer in the study group by only 1.5%? The correct answer is 50%, this is pretty basic math skills (I realize the math flunkee here is Natural News, not necessarily you).

    As the authors of the study points out, the study actually found a pooled effectiveness of 59%, not 1.5%.
    Agree with MunoRN. Perhaps OP might review statistics class...or take it...
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    Quote from olddragger
    statistics can be made to be very misleading. CDC uses that to its own advantage also.

    Ask yourself this--how logical is the influenza vaccination in regard to preventing influenza? Please think in terms for EVERYONE.
    I accept that the influenza vaccination has a use in select groups, but for everyone I digress.

    My thoughts on this is that it will have very little overall affect. The Influenza virus mutates and there are many many different types.
    A vaccination that can possibly help protect agaisnt only 3 of the hundreds ( this depends on the individuals own immune systems response to the vaccination too!) imho could possibly help speed the mutation of those 3 into something not seen before? Just like the overuse of antibiotics causes new strains of bugs that are more difficult to treat ?

    I seriously think that influenza can be better controlled by more attention to infection control tech--staying at home ( for a week! not one or 2 days), stigent washing of hands, stop touching your face, cough, sneezing control, dont shake hands, good diet, fresh air, exercise, maybe even a multiple vitamin and conservative use of a netii pot, than depending on a vaccination.

    For example do some reading on what caused TB to become a much rarer infection in the modern world.
    We can't even get COPD patients to quit smoking when they're on O2. How do you propose we convince people to stay home from work when they're ill? Once they have the full-blown symptoms, sure. By then they've already spread it, more likely than not. Lots of people can't afford to stay home a whole week, some even risk being fired if they do.

    Having had the flu as a teenager, like another poster said, I gladly line up for a 55% decreased chance of getting that again every year.

    I don't necessarily disagree that not everyone needs the shot, but I think HC workers are amongst the groups that really should strongly consider it.
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    I agree that it would be difficult to change peoples behavior, however I believe that it should not be forgotten or placed on the shelf as "it's no use in trying" type thing. Just like children people have to be taught over and over and over. And like children some will never discipline themselves enough to do it. But some will.
    I also agree that the shot should be considered but NOT mandated!
    One problem I think that really exits with the influenza vaccination is people ( not hcws-at least some of them--lol) think they are protected from being infected from the influenza virus's and then do not place the proper importance on infection control techniques. I truly believe that most people do not understand the influenza vaccination, thinking it is like the other "vaccinations" that provides significant immunity in a high percentage of reciprecants.
    It is a complex problem.
    Importunity it has turned into something that people have unnecessarily lost their jobs over.
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    I've read package inserts for the Fluzone injectable vaccine (31 pages) see pg 15, Pnuemovax pneumococcal, The hib and meningococcal vaccines. They all state that no animal or human testing has been done concerning the effects on reproduction systems, pregnancy, birth defects. Also the Fluzone has not been tested for carcinogenicity effects. We may want to inform our patients of these facts. I took an oath to do no harm. Morals and ethics can get involved.
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    I agree! I often ask my patients if they understand ways they can strengthen their immune systems. Many of them actually do. I'm sure many of them do not read or understand the package inserts though.
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    Quote from joanarc52
    I agree! I often ask my patients if they understand ways they can strengthen their immune systems. Many of them actually do. I'm sure many of them do not read or understand the package inserts though.
    Are you agreeing with your own post? I'm sorry, I'm a little confused there.
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    I thought I was replying to olddragger. I'll figure this site out eventually. I'm trying to figure out bookmarking a thread right now:0/
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    speaking of percentages and statistics, you have a 100% chance of having mercury injected into your body with a flu shot.
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    Quote from ceccia
    speaking of percentages and statistics, you have a 100% chance of having mercury injected into your body with a flu shot.
    Sorry, you are 100% wrong.
    Only multi dose vials contain Thimerosal, as a perservative. Single dose packaging does not contain any preservative.

    http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/thimerosal.htm
    Last edit by MrChicagoRN on Dec 28, '13 : Reason: Added CDC link
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