Flu shot controversy - page 4

by JeniRN 16,711 Views | 44 Comments

So, all being healthcare professionals, we are all urged (if not required) to be vaccinated for the flu annually. I completely understand why. I know there is some controversy about flu vaccines and their safety as well though. I... Read More


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    Took the shot but it was to protect me, not my patients or the public. Whether or not I get the flu is still a crap shoot since the worst cases of the flu I ever had, including last year, came a couple of months after getting the shot.

    As far as my getting the shot protecting others, I was unaware the shot produced a magical force field around me so that I can't pick up the virus on my clothing from the lady behind me in line at 7-11 who is coughing her head off. Or maybe it produces a repellant that keeps the virus from jumping off a patient's visitors into my hair or all over my scrub top. Do those who drop their kids at day care not go inside to see them safely in? Never hug your kids before heading out for a night shift? You know if you do you are basically hugging every other kid in their class.

    People are two legged ambulatory fomites. That's why we wash our hands, gel in and out, wear gloves, and sometimes gowns and masks. Thats why we clean our stethoscopes and pulse oxes between pts. (At least I do)

    I get the shot for one reason - I HATE using PTO for being sick. I have better things to do than hang around the house being miserable. If someone else wants to get stuck because they really think they are doing it for others, then they can think that if they like. If a person doesn't want the shot, they shouldn't have to make the choice between the shot and making a living. Unless of course there really IS a magic force field created when you get the shot.
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    Quote from ez2000
    forgive my ignorance but is it true that the current vaccine have both flu and h1n1 components in it? i mean they are not anymore separated but given in one shot. h1n1 vaccine is in its infant stage...what are your thoughts on taking the flu if they are indeed combined together?

    The only reason there was a separate shot last year was that the strain was identified after production of the seasonal flu vaccine was underway. So, they made it the same way they make the seasonal vaccine, but instead of putting three strains in it, they put one.

    Each year, one of the strains is an H1N1 strain. This year, the H1N1 strain is the Atypical, pandemic H1N1 from last year.

    The H1N1 vaccine is no more in it's infancy then any other seasonal flu vaccine.
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    Quote from onaclearday
    Just got mine, I don't over think it. I don't do it for my patients really, I do it so I don't have to get really sick hopefully and need to call off. Calling in sick is very much frowned upon. For me, it's more something to help job security a bit.

    hopefully = key word
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    I dont know if we got different vaccines here in Canada, probably did...But I saw several bad reactions to the shot during the big vaccination panic. I had one GB patient, the doctors straight out said it was because of the shot. I had colleagues falling asleep at the wheel of their cars, one who developed pretty bad cellulitis at the injection site, and several who STILL got H1N1 after getting the shot and having flu symptoms for a week post vaccine. I absolutely refuse to get vaccinated for the flu. I understand that H1N1 is a particularly bad strain, and spoke to people who said it was the most painful thing they experienced. However, I have a very good immune system, and the only times I got really sick at the pneumo level were when I HAD to get vaccinated for nursing school. I have enough common sense, as do most people who are moderately intelligent, to understand basic hygiene issues, and to protect others when I DO get sick. I dont feel I put my patients at particular risk because I did not get vaccinated, and was clearly not affected myself, since I only got one very small cold during flu season...Either way, we all know now that it was all blown out of proportion, since H1N1 did nowhere near as much damage as was mediacized (sp?), nowhere near as many deaths as occur yearly from the regular ol' influenza. But its all a personal choice. I work with an agency, and at several hospitals, and I dont think any of them forced employees to get the shot. In fact, having the shot reduced your chances of getting paid sick leave if you DID get H1N1 here, something about proving your antibodies were from the actual flu and not the shot...didnt understand the explanation I got but either way, kinda screwy if you ask me:P
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    Quote from Lil'mama
    I'm not against the flu shot...just don't like it being "forced" on me. This year they have changed our health insurance..the cheaper option you have to be involved in wellness activities, get blood work, AND your flu shot. If you opt out, your premium is doubled.

    Also those that don't get the flu shot have to wear a mask the entire flu season.
    What health insurance is this? I think that's pretty awesome!
    I think people should be encouraged to partake in healthful activities, diets, lifestyles, etc and since they are contributing to better health should be rewarded.
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    Originally Posted by Lil'mama
    I'm not against the flu shot...just don't like it being "forced" on me. This year they have changed our health insurance..the cheaper option you have to be involved in wellness activities, get blood work, AND your flu shot. If you opt out, your premium is doubled.

    Also those that don't get the flu shot have to wear a mask the entire flu season.

    All I can do is sigh heavily.
    It honestly AMAZES people think it's great to be told what to do to your body. Let's get this straight, as little information and studies there are out there to prove long-term negative effects correlated with the repetitive use of influenza vaccination, there are fewer studies to prove it does not have negative SE. Studies show in the short-term it does prevent the virus, As for H1N1, how many studies can be so complete? And how many out there truly know how to judge whether or not a scientific study has actually been conducted correctly and not skewed. How many know what to look for and what questions have been left unanswered?

    Many hospitals were treating and classifying Influenza type A as H1N1, and sparing the cost required for further testing to specify H1N1 strain because it was not as simple and cost-efficient as an in-house test to determine Type-A and simply treat all Type-A as H1N1.

    I for one DID get the vaccination because I was forced to, and I did still get Influenza type A, which was never tested to determine H1N1 or not...And yes, it was not a joy ride, I had some pretty bad symptoms and was so sore I could hardly walk up my stairs as a fit 24 year old. But I am young, and was not going to die from it, nor are the vast majority that do not want the immunization forced upon them.
    Children don't have a choice and I do believe they should be helped out during those vulnerable years. As should the elderly, and those of whom are immunocompromised and have co-morbidities.

    Although, some people do not mind taking the chance that they will be sick and stuck in bed, and possibly not sick at all. Which happens for many many people. And in return not have to worry that for 1. they have a adverse reaction and have to experience GB syndrome. Which I for one seriously would not wish upon anyone. And 2. after 20 or what have you flu shots they develop some sort of cancer or whatever it could potentially cause, d/t the excessive yearly influenza vaccinations. It's apparent many think its a no-brainer to form the assembly line and get shot up with these preservative/low-trace mercury/aluminum filled vaccines yearly, but it's getting to the point that its 2 in 1, and blah blah yearly, and being forced upon people, and heading in the direction that monetary punishment is being put in place? I understand the need to prevent any and all epidemic scenario's, even if it isn't a high mortality rate disease. But this is FAR from that. And even Avian influenza was not taken to this level, which had far more detrimental effects.. And makes me think, had they come up with an Avian influenza vaccine would we be on a 3 in 1 vaccination now?

    Bottom line.. It should always be our choice. And doubling premiums DOES take that choice away do not kid yourself. Insurance is costly as it is, that is far from a reward. That is a punishment.

    Reward discounts should be given to those with active lifestyles and healthy diet's. To pay yearly a double premium d/t opting out of an influenza vaccine?? Get real. This isn't a movie.

    Everyone has an opinion. So, don't be so quick to give it up and go along with forced action and repercussions d/t not doing something like getting a yearly vaccine that should clearly be each individuals choice. Because if we continue down this road, and these type of policies, do you truly believe your opinion will never be on the opposing side? Think about it.




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    My Daughter in Nursing School just received the flu shot.

    Minutes after receiving it she started having a burning across her RUQ and Rt. upper lip. Family doc told her it was nerve pain and it was a cross reaction with the dominant chicken pox virus in her body and put her on Acyclovir for 7 days.

    I am confused. Never heard of such a thing.

    After 34 years, I have not, and will not take the flu shot. Never had the flu either.....even when they're hacking and spewing all over me in Triage I thought for sure I would get it.

    I'm afraid of this vaccine for the children.
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    Quote from Code_VSA
    My Daughter in Nursing School just received the flu shot.

    Minutes after receiving it she started having a burning across her RUQ and Rt. upper lip. Family doc told her it was nerve pain and it was a cross reaction with the dominant chicken pox virus in her body and put her on Acyclovir for 7 days.

    I am confused. Never heard of such a thing.

    After 34 years, I have not, and will not take the flu shot. Never had the flu either.....even when they're hacking and spewing all over me in Triage I thought for sure I would get it.

    I'm afraid of this vaccine for the children.
    I am sorry but I believe her doctor was just whistling in the wind. He was giving her a reason for symptoms he couldn't explain. And he made this worse by putting her on an antiviral when it wasn't indicated. While it is recommended for the treatment of chicken pox, it is only recommended for children. In adults it can be used in the treatment of shingles but your daughter's symptoms did not indicate an episode of that, the symptoms occurred right after the shot. Too soon to develop.

    When we took my granddaughter in, the triage nurse put a face mask on her, to lessen our and her exposure to a possible case of the flu. This year because she does suffer from asthma, she got the vaccination, without any side effects. When people complain about getting the flu after getting the vaccination, it more then likely is a stomach virus they had all ready present when they go the flu. A great many cases of the 'flu' are misdiagnosed cases of a stomach virus, not a case of the flu. The flu makes you deadly sick for more then week.

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    I have to bump this up.

    Just a quick input about vaccines: Not too long ago, Bill Gates said that the world population could be controlled with the use of vaccines, health care, and reproductive services. That's pretty scary and its not the first time that I have heard something to this effect, with the exception of the health care part. All this is done to release CO2 levels. Methinks the New World Order is on its way...

    Don't believe me? Here is Bill Gates saying it himself:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WQtRI7A064
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