Re: Seasonal Flu and H1N1 Vaccine-will you get it if forced by your employer? why/why

But thats because your anti-body or titers decrease due to you not being exposed to it because the disease has been 99.9% eradicated from the general population cohort due to...yup vaccines.

It's not because the vaccine is incorrect or different in an immunologic sense. If i remember correctly there are B-Lympohcytes that have memory cells that can release antibodies. When they aren't exposed to any of those antigens anymore for the formentioned reason, they start to disappear.

Re: Seasonal Flu and H1N1 Vaccine-will you get it if forced by your employer? why/why

Originally Posted by CrunchyMama

If you get a disease naturally, you're more likely not to get it ever. Say for instance...my kid gets the measles, he/she won't get it again because it's a natural immunity. Vaccines only provide limited protection....that's why some people still get the flu or measles or whatever even after being vaccinated. That's why I say heck if vaccines aren't 100% effective, what's the point of injecting toxins? Not asking you, lol....it's just my reasoning. And most of these diseases are treatable, so it doesn't scare me.

and on the same token, some never develop immunity no matter how many shots they get. The most obvious example of this is with Hep B. Some people need more than the 3 shots or regular boosters just so their titres show acceptable levels. And for some, no matter how many boosters they get, their titres come up negative.

Re: Seasonal Flu and H1N1 Vaccine-will you get it if forced by your employer? why/why

Originally Posted by melmarie23

and on the same token, some never develop immunity no matter how many shots they get. The most obvious example of this is with Hep B. Some people need more than the 3 shots or regular boosters just so their titres show acceptable levels. And for some, no matter how many boosters they get, their titres come up negative.

Right...but they still get it. With this, you only need 1 shot or 1 nasal spray.

Re: Seasonal Flu and H1N1 Vaccine-will you get it if forced by your employer? why/why

Originally Posted by Agrippa

But thats because your anti-body or titers decrease due to you not being exposed to it because the disease has been 99.9% eradicated from the general population cohort due to...yup vaccines.

It's not because the vaccine is incorrect or different in an immunologic sense. If i remember correctly there are B-Lympohcytes that have memory cells that can release antibodies. When they aren't exposed to any of those antigens anymore for the formentioned reason, they start to disappear.

Actually...a lot of the diseases were on the decline before the vaccines were made. So vaccines were introduced and people automatically thought the vaccines were the reason. I seen a chart at one time that showed the diseases and the years the vaccines were introduced and I can understand why people would think that.

Re: Seasonal Flu and H1N1 Vaccine-will you get it if forced by your employer? why/why

Originally Posted by melmarie23

and on the same token, some never develop immunity no matter how many shots they get. The most obvious example of this is with Hep B. Some people need more than the 3 shots or regular boosters just so their titres show acceptable levels. And for some, no matter how many boosters they get, their titres come up negative.

Perfect example!

Re: Seasonal Flu and H1N1 Vaccine-will you get it if forced by your employer? why/why

Originally Posted by Agrippa

Right...but they still get it. With this, you only need 1 shot or 1 nasal spray.

Nah I'd rather get the flu and take my chances.

Re: Seasonal Flu and H1N1 Vaccine-will you get it if forced by your employer? why/why

Originally Posted by CrunchyMama

Actually...a lot of the diseases were on the decline before the vaccines were made. So vaccines were introduced and people automatically thought the vaccines were the reason. I seen a chart at one time that showed the diseases and the years the vaccines were introduced and I can understand why people would think that.

Polio was not eradicated because it was naturally on the decline. Neither was Smallpox or Measles, Mumps, Rubella. Actually the latter three are on a rebound in some parts because of hysterical mothers not wanting to give their kids vaccinations. They now have to live with the result of the devastating effects of MMR. Smallpox vaccinations were so successful that we no longer need vaccines as it was totally eradicated from the US.

Re: Seasonal Flu and H1N1 Vaccine-will you get it if forced by your employer? why/why

Originally Posted by Agrippa

But thats because your anti-body or titers decrease due to you not being exposed to it because the disease has been 99.9% eradicated from the general population cohort due to...yup vaccines.

have you ever asked yourself that if a particular disease has been eradicated from a given population (eg. polio in the US), due to vaccination, then why the continued need for such vaccinations?

Re: Seasonal Flu and H1N1 Vaccine-will you get it if forced by your employer? why/why

Originally Posted by melmarie23

have you ever asked yourself that if a particular disease has been eradicated from a given population (eg. polio in the US), due to vaccination, then why the continued need for such vaccinations?

Because diseases don't recognize borders. Ever since the invention of the airplane its been pretty hard to control.

Re: Seasonal Flu and H1N1 Vaccine-will you get it if forced by your employer? why/why

Originally Posted by Agrippa

Right...but they still get it. With this, you only need 1 shot or 1 nasal spray.

who still gets it? I know many who have stopped because there is no point. Their bodies simply will not build immunity.