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No. 50
from mwbeah
Old Dec 27, 2004, 03:38 PM
Updated Dec 27, 2004 at 03:41 PM by mwbeah

Default Monitoring plt levels
Originally Posted by janet r. gowen
Please use caution with the toradol, we use it often but must remember to monitor platelet levels
I agree that toradol must be used with caution, but monitoring platelet levels has little meaning. Toradol doesn't decrease the platelet count (it affects the arachodonic acid cycle and inhibits cyclo-oxygenase), it renders the platelet dysfunctional for a period of time (just like the other NSAIDS). A bleeding time can be used but is an unreliable test. INR could also be used. A TEG would be great, but these tests all costs money.

Mike
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No. 51
from Tenesma
Old Jan 01, 2005, 10:56 AM

1) the only useful test is TEG (INR and platelets and bleeding time are useless).

2) it does NOT need to be administered with a narcotic in order to relieve pain. 30mg IV toradol is equi-analgesic to 10mg Morphine!!!

3) and who came up with those limits to IV and PO use??? the recommendations are not to exceed 5 days and that can be applied to IV as well.
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No. 52
from curleysue
Old Jan 01, 2005, 03:59 PM

Default Intersting stuff
Wow, I have learned a lot about phenergan in the last posts. Thanks, However I do have a question. What would happen if someone is given IV phenergan too much? Does it make them have weird symptoms? Tolerance? I mean if they are getting it everyday for about a week or so. Thanks, Curleysue
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No. 53
from mwbeah
Old Jan 03, 2005, 09:07 AM

Default Toradol
I agree with Tenesma, TEG is the test to use. If anyone has questions about toradol, Sota Omogui's Anesthesia Drug Handbook has more than enough info (MOA, morphine equivalency, etc)

Mike
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No. 54
Old Jan 04, 2005, 03:59 AM

I think that other countries have some other NSAIDs and salicylates for parenteral admin. in their formularies.

I like Toradol, and I think it works, but numerous studies have indicated that it is no better than oral ibuprofen for most types of pain.
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No. 55
from Tenesma
Old Jan 04, 2005, 06:07 AM

define "no better"
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No. 56
from z's playa
Old Jan 04, 2005, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Tenesma
define "no better"

Doesn't work any better than regular Ibuprofen and other anti inflammatories.
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No. 57
Old Jan 05, 2005, 12:21 AM

Let me rephrase:

A review of the relevant literature will indicate that oral ibuprofen is equally effective as Toradol injection for relieving most types of pain.
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No. 58
from Tenesma
Old Jan 05, 2005, 06:05 AM

true but you are comparing something that can be given IV vs something that can only be given PO...
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No. 59
Old Jan 05, 2005, 08:58 PM

I am not sure how that is relevant to efficacy, but I am aware of the practical implications.
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