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  • 44

    Some people post with the intention of receiving replies that coincide with exactly what they want to hear. When that doesn't happen, a few original posters have become defensive and dropped the "I wouldn't want you as my nurse" bomb.

    I do not take the defensiveness personally. I am simply grateful that my thought processes have evolved in the context that I am willing to be exposed to ideas from those who do not think like me. An online forum is not the hill I wish to die upon.

    On the other hand, some are seeking 'yes'-people, PollyAnna cheerleaders, and head-bobbers to tell them only what they want to hear and nothing more.

  • 39

    I don't want any of you as my nurses... BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE FLIPPING HOSPITAL. (true story)

    #AMA #DNR4Lyfe

  • 32

    The operative term in "nurse-leader" or "nurse manager" is nurse. I really don't see how one can effectively lead a team of nurses without having been on a team of nurses.

    Consider some real-life issues nurses face:

    Skeleton staffing. Med-surg nurse already has 6 very sick patients and is then given an admission. Nurses are so busy that it's difficult if not impossible to get a proper meal break. Or if they do, it means that they will be staying late (incurring OT) to chart because they spent 1/2 hour of their shift eating and putting feet up. Every nurse on your unit is swamped, and need the manager to step in -- this is an allusion I've made before, but nurses not needing a boy king, but needing Earnest Shackleton (you can Google his story if you're not familiar with it, to learn how his leadership style contrasted with a boy king's.) What do you do?

    Difficult families. The type who nobody can please and has resorted to verbally abusing staff, or even threatening staff. What do you do?

    Similarly difficult patients who manipulate and will complain about everything. Maybe the nurse didn't ask "how high" when said pt said "Jump," because the demand to "jump" does not align with best practices. But the satisfaction survey, oh the SATISFACTION SURVEY!!! What do you do?

    Self-important MDs who think the RN is there to help them, not the pt? Maybe who resorts to toddler tantrum behavior? What do you do?

    How do you decide which nurses are the best candidates to hire for the floor, if you don't know what it takes to be a nurse on the floor?

    I could go on all day.

    Just because a school agrees to confer a master's degree to someone who hasn't even been a novice, doesn't make it a good idea. In my experienced opinion. I really do think the hoop you NEED to jump through is time in the trenches where you hope to be a leader.

    ETA: I really don't mean to sound nasty. It's just that like many (most?) brand-new nurses and students -- of which you are both -- you haven't been around enough to know what you don't know. There's no shame in that; it's just how it is.

  • 29

    I understand how this will sound (and I truly do not intend to be mean) but it's exactly how I feel: I would never want to work for a Nurse Manager or report to a Nurse Administrator who had not walked a mile in my shoes. Or 10 miles. I do not understand how a nurse can obtain any type of advanced practice degree (unless possibly in Research) without a set minimum years of practice.

    When you say you're "jumping through all the hoops and ending up in the same spot," what do you mean? If you mean that you're not advancing as a nurse, I think that that's to be expected since you have been working in a (what sounds like) a non-nursing position. I expect that you will feel the same when you graduate with your MSN, without any accompanying nursing experience.

  • 26

    I have no problem with providing good service/service recovery. But for the love of God, give me the TOOLS to do so. Equipment that WORKS, sufficient staff for all my patients and the TIME to do it.

  • 25

    I suspect that posters who utter "I never want you as my nurse" probably imagine that it stings a whole lot more than it actually does. It's likely something that they would perceive as a devastating blow to their own self-image if someone told them the same thing. It seems like it's most often said by new nurses or nursing students. Perhaps they picture the ideal nurse as someone who's always sweet, caring, compassionate, soothing, 24/7, whether they are on duty or off.

    The reason "you lack compassion and I don't want you as my nurse" insult doesn't even begin to touch me is:

    a) What I write on an online community has absolutely no bearing on how I conduct myself at work or how I treat and care for my patients.

    b) The poster who passes judgment on my nursing ability has never met me.

    c) The real life patients who have met me and whom I've provided nursing care to, actually tend to trust, like and respect me.

    d) It's the internet...

    So as insults go, it's pretty lame. As a general rule, if you have to resort to insults then more often than not, you've lost the argument.


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