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No. 20
from sunshine88
Old Jul 21, 2008, 07:45 PM

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By the way, they don't keep track of who signs up for weekends so you don't have to have a weekend clinical. They just say that to people in the beginning but I know they don't follow what they state as far as having to have at least one weekend clinical. I actually preferred the weekends but I know people who didn't have one weekend at all.
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No. 21
Old Jul 21, 2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bailey728 View Post
I'm in the FACT program now. Just wanted to add to what sunshine wrote. At the beginning of a clinical rotation, you are given a sheet with all of the different rotation units/times/days and asked to give your top three choices. The 8 hour rotations are M/T/W from 7a-3p or M/T/W from 2p-10p. The 12 hour rotations are from 7a-7p on either Sa/Su, Su/M, M/T, or T/W. Classes are all day Thursdays and Fridays. As sunshine said, you are not guaranteed one of your top three choices but if you have a specific reason for needing a certain day/time slot, they do take that into consideration. FYI- they require you to do at least one weekend rotation during the program; this would be either a Sa/Su or Su/M rotation.
How are you finding the program? I know you just started at the end of May. Does it seem overwhelming? Do you have kids/spouse/family?
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No. 22
from bailey728
Old Jul 21, 2008, 10:46 PM

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Thanks for the info sunshine. I didn't realize they don't keep track. They made such a big deal out of the weekend thing I figured they would stick us with one sooner or later.

AtomicWoman,

Regarding the program, I am very happy with it. I'm glad I chose Jeff and think it is as solid an education as you can get in an accelerated program. The faculty are great, I feel supported, and the material is interesting and always changing. The thing that I personally have liked the best is that they really try to give you a little taste of everything and try to make it interesting. Since this is the kind of info I searched for on the program and couldn't find, I'll give you some concrete examples... we had a PT come to give a guest lecture on positioning/body mechanics (and then had to position each other in hospital beds and do things like go up and down stairs on crutches to see what it's like for patients); we've had numerous seminars in clinical on things like drains/wound care/body casting (this depends on your clinical instructor); we are encouraged to view an autopsy if we choose; we had to attend a patient support group to see the psychosocial side of things; we use SimMan models for things like listening to lung sounds, heart sounds, murmurs, etc. We've been told when we get to critical care, they use the SimMan / SimWoman models to simulate code situations.

Some people have been less than thrilled with some of the disorganization, but I was expecting this to some extent in an accelerated program. I just go with the flow and things have been fine. I don't think the program is overwhelming overall but at times it can be. I have a husband, no kids. Some of the people in our program with kids seem like they're struggling; others are fine. Same is true for people with no kids, and/or no spouse/partner. I think it comes down to time management and prioritization skills and accepting that you'll never be able to do all of the readings (which is okay). Some of us are able to work part-time outside of school but I have not found the time to do this. I agree with previous posters that the first month or so was the hardest (TONS of reading and lab time). I've felt in the past few weeks that we've all settled in and think the rest of the year will be fine. Absolutely doable. I realize I'm only nearing the end of the first quarter, but if you have any specific questions I can try to answer them for you.
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No. 23
Old Jul 22, 2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bailey728 View Post
AtomicWoman,

Regarding the program, I am very happy with it. I'm glad I chose Jeff and think it is as solid an education as you can get in an accelerated program. The faculty are great, I feel supported, and the material is interesting and always changing. The thing that I personally have liked the best is that they really try to give you a little taste of everything and try to make it interesting. Since this is the kind of info I searched for on the program and couldn't find, I'll give you some concrete examples... we had a PT come to give a guest lecture on positioning/body mechanics (and then had to position each other in hospital beds and do things like go up and down stairs on crutches to see what it's like for patients); we've had numerous seminars in clinical on things like drains/wound care/body casting (this depends on your clinical instructor); we are encouraged to view an autopsy if we choose; we had to attend a patient support group to see the psychosocial side of things; we use SimMan models for things like listening to lung sounds, heart sounds, murmurs, etc. We've been told when we get to critical care, they use the SimMan / SimWoman models to simulate code situations.

Some people have been less than thrilled with some of the disorganization, but I was expecting this to some extent in an accelerated program. I just go with the flow and things have been fine. I don't think the program is overwhelming overall but at times it can be. I have a husband, no kids. Some of the people in our program with kids seem like they're struggling; others are fine. Same is true for people with no kids, and/or no spouse/partner. I think it comes down to time management and prioritization skills and accepting that you'll never be able to do all of the readings (which is okay). Some of us are able to work part-time outside of school but I have not found the time to do this. I agree with previous posters that the first month or so was the hardest (TONS of reading and lab time). I've felt in the past few weeks that we've all settled in and think the rest of the year will be fine. Absolutely doable. I realize I'm only nearing the end of the first quarter, but if you have any specific questions I can try to answer them for you.
Thank you so much for all that detail! A couple of questions: how many hours per day or week do you study? Do you have 2 clinicals/week or 3? How long a commute do you have? (I'm in S. Jersey.) Have you had any exams yet, and are they do-able?

Thank you again!!
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No. 24
from bailey728
Old Jul 22, 2008, 03:14 PM
Updated Jul 22, 2008 at 03:17 PM by bailey728

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Hi again,

I currently have three 8-hour clinicals per week. I'm really going to try to get two 12s next quarter because I feel like I have less time than people who have 2/week. I'm on the 7-3 M/T/W rotation. We usually get out a little late, so by the time I get home, I'm tired and don't want to study much. In contrast, the people with two 12s will sometimes (not always) get done early and then they also have a whole extra day to themselves.

I live in West Phila and ride my bike so I have about a 20 min commute. Tons of people in our program from south jersey. Most take patco in. Some come from very far; I know of at least 2-3 people with an hour+ commute each way.

How much I study/read depends on the week. Most weekdays I'd estimate about 3 hours/day and on weekends probably about 4-6 hours/day. Some weekends I won't do one thing because I need a mental break (that was this past weekend). The instructors will tell you it's healthy to do that every now and then. I could have justified it fine all by myself, but that's good too.

I had thought most of my time would be spent straight studying, but we actually have a fair amount of smaller projects that take up time. My estimate of how long I spend studying includes these. (For example, we had to write a report on the support group experience, a report on the day we spent in the OR, care plans for clinical, etc.) Right now we have 5 classes. The three main classes are pharm 1, patho 1 and nursing management 1. These are taught by body system, so that in a given week you might do GI and cover GI drugs, GI path and GI nursing care. The other 2 classes are Health Assessment (this class has a lab) and Intro to Nursing (some busy work, laid back, not a lot of effort). I checked the schedule for our next quarter and it seems like the work load is a lot less.

We've had exams in all of our classes except Intro (no exams for that class). They structure exams like the NCLEX exam (including style of question and amount of time given to answer each question) so we're used to them by the time we graduate. I thought the exams were fine and easier than I studied for. They try to prepare you by guiding your readings with questions to focus on, and giving you NCLEX style questions in lecture to try to answer. The core courses (pharm, patho, management) are tested at the same time (i.e. you have all 3 exams back to back on one day). Makes sense since they teach them together. The Health Assessment exam was written, but they also have a practical exam at the end where you show up, they give you a body system, and you have to do an assessment on a classmate. They told us exactly what they were expecting though, so it's not too bad, just practice.

Well, I guess I've rambled on long enough. Sorry this is so long. I just remember what it was like when I was considering the program and I wanted as much info as I could find. So I thought I would share as much as I could in case it helps someone else. Any other questions, ask away.
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No. 25
from apoptotic
Old Jul 24, 2008, 05:05 PM

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Thanks for the great info for the people who are applying...I was wondering if you could message me (or just reply here) the titles of your Pharm, Path, and Nursing Management books for this term? I have a ton of nursing books from various people, and I was just curious as to whether or not I already own them or not thanks!
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No. 26
from bailey728
Old Jul 24, 2008, 06:51 PM

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Sure thing. Pharm book is Pharmacology for Nursing Care Sixth Edition (Lehne). Patho and Nursing Management use the same text: Medical-Surgical Nursing Seventh Edition (Lewis). If you decide to do the program, they make you buy a book bundle with all the books for the year; the bundle is discounted from what you would pay for the books separately. Even if you do have some of the books and just want to buy the others, it would probably be the same price or cheaper to just buy the bundle. Also as an FYI, they sometimes change the books from year to year. They told us the Pharm book we have now is different than what they used last year.

Also as an FYI, Jeff requires a PDA. Sometimes this is included in the bundle. Ours wasn't this year; we had to buy it and the software separately.

Nursing school is expensive. Love the PDA though. Great for clinicals.
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No. 27
from apoptotic
Old Jul 24, 2008, 07:02 PM

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Thanks! Did you have to buy a specific PDA or did you get to choose?
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No. 28
Old Jul 25, 2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bailey728 View Post
Well, I guess I've rambled on long enough. Sorry this is so long. I just remember what it was like when I was considering the program and I wanted as much info as I could find. So I thought I would share as much as I could in case it helps someone else. Any other questions, ask away.
Thank you SO MUCH for all that detailed information! You have helped me make an important decision. I know how busy you must be, or at least I am imagining how busy you must be!

If you don't mind my asking, what was your original bachelor's degree in? And approximately how old are you? You can ignore me or PM me if you don't want to answer publicly. I'm an official coot, well over 40... My husband is a little concerned about doing an intense accelerated program at my age. But I'm not!!! I think I have more energy now that I'm studying stuff that is so fascinating...
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No. 29
from Tay245
Old Jul 25, 2008, 10:32 PM

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To chime in a little, I graduated from FACT in May and it is a great program with a great faculty. The PDA is mandatory this year but it wasn't last year and the people that didn't have it wished they did b/c it is the best in clinical. Also the second session has less classes but don't expect it to be any easier because the topics also change as well as the instrutors and each instructor has their own rhythm. As the year goes on, stay on top of your game. Many start to slack and end up stressed when it reflects in their grades. Things appear to get easier but as you enter the senior half (around November) things become different and a lot of people get lost in the mix. My class only had a few that didn't make it, 2 or 3 I think, but a lot of us were stressing around this time. So enjoy this program, try to take some time out for yourself and ask questions whenever you are unsure of something.
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