help! Are surgical techs and RNs the same?? - page 7

I am an operating room nurse at a rather large hospital. This facility has made it so that the Surgical techs and the RNs are pretty much equal. Therefore i am often talked to with disrespect and... Read More

  1. by   BernadetteRNBSN
    hey corvette guy, i'm thinking more like an orthopedic saw blade (something stryker anyway......). Anywho like I mentioned before,"touchy subject". But a good thread. I have learned a lot. And thanks to all for your true opinions. All feedback (good or bad) contributes to the success of good teamwork. b-
  2. by   Corvette Guy
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    No, someone does not need to be the supervisor to get a copy of a job description, but if someone were to hand me a copy of mine if i were outside of my scope, it would be the dept. supervisor.
    Huh?

    If, anyone is allowed a copy of any job description, then anyone can hand you same... not just the dept. supervisor.
  3. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from Corvette Guy
    Huh?

    If, anyone is allowed a copy of any job description, then anyone can hand you same... not just the dept. supervisor.
    It's not up to my co-worker to do that. I wouldn't do it to them, because it's not my place to.
  4. by   Ferret
    Quote from Corvette Guy
    :flowersfo Geez, I was just messing with you.

    The tension in this Thread is so thick it cut be cut with an #11 blade. :chuckle
    Whatcha pussyfooting with those little things? Something thick needs a heavy blade.. I was thinking a #23. Orthopaedic butcher cleavers... not vascular finesse

    And if anyone is going to hand out job descriptions, might I suggest your unit educator?

    Ferret
  5. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    And if anyone is going to hand out job descriptions, might I suggest your unit educator?
    Exactly.

    If there is a problem, when someone needs a reminder of their job description, it's certainly not a co-worker's place to do that to someone.
  6. by   Corvette Guy
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    ...I'm well aware the circulator is the room supervisor.
    So, if the Circulator is the room supervisor, then is it not appropriate for the Circulator to make sure that each OR team member in such room abide by there job description?
  7. by   SFCardiacRN
    Most problems can be handled with a few words from the circulator. Calm professional assertive voice should be used. When staff over step their bounds ask them to stop. Quiet one-on-one warnings usually work best. If a facility through action or inaction allows non-licensed staff to perform licensed duties it is time to move on.
  8. by   sweet31eve
    I agree with Corvette guy. I mean, I went to my supervisor and nothing has been done. It may not be my job to point out what his job description is, but I rather have him feel a little bent out of shape at me rather than compromise the safety of my patient. I have a feeling that many on these posts are getting the wrong impression. It's not RN vs. tech or LPN. Its right vs. wrong. From what I read, no one on this thread is contesting that a vital role as a circulator in the OR is to supervises the room. Am I doing my job if I dont address the problem myself in fear of insulting him by pointing out what his scope of practice is when he is obviously practicing outside of it? I dont think so.
  9. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from Corvette Guy
    So, if the Circulator is the room supervisor, then is it not appropriate for the Circulator to make sure that each OR team member in such room abide by there job description?
    Where did i say it's not appropriate for a circulator to see that everyone is abiding by their job description?

    I didn't.

    What i have said is if someone were to hand me a copy of my job description if i were outside of my scope, it would be the dept. supervisor. If i were to the point of being outside of my scope (which will never happen), management would/should be involved.
  10. by   Indigomune
    I am new and this is my first post. I have been a surgical tech for 4yrs now, and work 3-11p at a Level One Trauma Center. Taking the evening shift, I became the sole staff employee on this shift, for 3yrs. (only traveling RN's were with me) Suffice to say, I was thrown in daily to some of the most difficult cases surgeons face. And I learned ALOT, about ALOT, and learned QUICK. I had no choice. If I didnt know exactly what each surgeon (albeit ortho, vascular, transplant, neuro, thoracic, plastics, general, etc.) wanted and needed....my experience with the surgeon (my ability to keep up, anticipate, and 'feel in sync' with him/her) wasnt going to be there, leading to frustration on their part and feeling inadequate on my part. So I took notes, read online about surgeries, studied procedure guides, asked alot of questions, and after 4yrs, I have developed a repoire of respect, unprecedented, with ALL of our surgeons (we have 25 OR suites). I am somewhat of an anamoly, as 99% of our techs work the day shift (or are forced to take off-shifts as part of their requirements) and most are uncomfortable outside of their speciality. Our hospital has lost 30 OR techs/nurses over the last 2yrs, to other hospitals, creating such a crisis that management called a meeting last year and urged ANYONE who got another offer, to come to them so they could counteroffer.
    So now you have a background.
    I have been reviewed yearly and have gotten small raises (.25 here, .40 there) I am at a point, where I feel I am WORTH MORE because of my versatility, my excellent repoire, and the fact that my managers have witnessed even the most demanding surgeons request me in their room.
    I recently was 'approached' by another area hospital (whose employees work with us hourly and passed my name along), and was offered $2 more an hour. Now, I am COMFORTABLE working where I am and I dont WANT to leave. So I did what I remember management saying. I went to them.
    I spoke with our HR nurse recruiter....who, told me that she was THE PERSON who made salary decisions, and was SO GLAD that I was coming to her before taking another offer and leaving.
    By the end of the conversation, she told me that she had to get 'approval' from her supervisor (a mysterious person whos name HAS NEVER BEEN MENTIONED TO ANYONE, EVER)
    BUT, she assured, she forsaw no problem (as the mystery person is quick to respond to these situations)
    The next day, her story changed again.
    Now, she was telling me that the 'mystery person' had a biased opinion of my position, "SURGICAL TECH" That is I was an RN....it would be a different story. IF AN RN GETS A BETTER OFFER SOMEWHERE ELSE, THEY REACT IMMEDIATELY WITH A BETTER OFFER.
    That no 'TECH' has come to management with another offer. So, she compared my situation to a situation involving a Nurse Managers secretary, who asked for more money, and 'the mystery person' dragged it out for weeks, but eventually the secretary got her raise. Two days later, my OR director mentioned to me that he was getting alot of talk from 'suits and ties' about my plight, and that although what I was doing might help techs in the future, it probably wasnt going to help me. very strange.
    A week later, not hearing anything (but assured I would), I called the HR recruiter, who told me my answer was no. But that they were 'looking into an across the board' change. I was now told that giving me a raise would throw the 'internal whatever' off. Something they couldnt do. (Did she forget she told me they DO THIS EVERYDAY for RN's?)
    My plight here, is I was basically told flat out that because my position is not considered VALUABLE to administration, I can walk out the door.
    "But we hope you will stay" was my goodbye.
    Yes, I CAN walk and take another job, and might, but that isnt my POINT
    IS THIS A TRUE CASE OF DISCRIMINATION? It certainly FEELS like it?
    I know that to take it farther, will be my demise within the company.
    I know how politics work. They'd crush me, deny they ever said anything discriminatory, and Id end up blacklisted from the community.
    If anyone has experienced anything like this, or has any input, Id greatly appreciate it
  11. by   cocothemonkey
    Quote from Indigomune
    I am new and this is my first post. I have been a surgical tech for 4yrs now, and work 3-11p at a Level One Trauma Center. Taking the evening shift, I became the sole staff employee on this shift, for 3yrs. (only traveling RN's were with me) Suffice to say, I was thrown in daily to some of the most difficult cases surgeons face. And I learned ALOT, about ALOT, and learned QUICK. I had no choice. If I didnt know exactly what each surgeon (albeit ortho, vascular, transplant, neuro, thoracic, plastics, general, etc.) wanted and needed....my experience with the surgeon (my ability to keep up, anticipate, and 'feel in sync' with him/her) wasnt going to be there, leading to frustration on their part and feeling inadequate on my part. So I took notes, read online about surgeries, studied procedure guides, asked alot of questions, and after 4yrs, I have developed a repoire of respect, unprecedented, with ALL of our surgeons (we have 25 OR suites). I am somewhat of an anamoly, as 99% of our techs work the day shift (or are forced to take off-shifts as part of their requirements) and most are uncomfortable outside of their speciality. Our hospital has lost 30 OR techs/nurses over the last 2yrs, to other hospitals, creating such a crisis that management called a meeting last year and urged ANYONE who got another offer, to come to them so they could counteroffer.
    So now you have a background.
    I have been reviewed yearly and have gotten small raises (.25 here, .40 there) I am at a point, where I feel I am WORTH MORE because of my versatility, my excellent repoire, and the fact that my managers have witnessed even the most demanding surgeons request me in their room.
    I recently was 'approached' by another area hospital (whose employees work with us hourly and passed my name along), and was offered $2 more an hour. Now, I am COMFORTABLE working where I am and I dont WANT to leave. So I did what I remember management saying. I went to them.
    I spoke with our HR nurse recruiter....who, told me that she was THE PERSON who made salary decisions, and was SO GLAD that I was coming to her before taking another offer and leaving.
    By the end of the conversation, she told me that she had to get 'approval' from her supervisor (a mysterious person whos name HAS NEVER BEEN MENTIONED TO ANYONE, EVER)
    BUT, she assured, she forsaw no problem (as the mystery person is quick to respond to these situations)
    The next day, her story changed again.
    Now, she was telling me that the 'mystery person' had a biased opinion of my position, "SURGICAL TECH" That is I was an RN....it would be a different story. IF AN RN GETS A BETTER OFFER SOMEWHERE ELSE, THEY REACT IMMEDIATELY WITH A BETTER OFFER.
    That no 'TECH' has come to management with another offer. So, she compared my situation to a situation involving a Nurse Managers secretary, who asked for more money, and 'the mystery person' dragged it out for weeks, but eventually the secretary got her raise. Two days later, my OR director mentioned to me that he was getting alot of talk from 'suits and ties' about my plight, and that although what I was doing might help techs in the future, it probably wasnt going to help me. very strange.
    A week later, not hearing anything (but assured I would), I called the HR recruiter, who told me my answer was no. But that they were 'looking into an across the board' change. I was now told that giving me a raise would throw the 'internal whatever' off. Something they couldnt do. (Did she forget she told me they DO THIS EVERYDAY for RN's?)
    My plight here, is I was basically told flat out that because my position is not considered VALUABLE to administration, I can walk out the door.
    "But we hope you will stay" was my goodbye.
    Yes, I CAN walk and take another job, and might, but that isnt my POINT
    IS THIS A TRUE CASE OF DISCRIMINATION? It certainly FEELS like it?
    I know that to take it farther, will be my demise within the company.
    I know how politics work. They'd crush me, deny they ever said anything discriminatory, and Id end up blacklisted from the community.
    If anyone has experienced anything like this, or has any input, Id greatly appreciate it
    I'd probably leave just to spite them.
  12. by   SFCardiacRN
    Take the better job offer &/or pursue RN. I did.
  13. by   Corvette Guy
    Quote from SFCardiacRN
    Take the better job offer &/or pursue RN. I did.
    :yeahthat:

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