First Names & "Professionalism"

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Well we had a unit meeting yesterday and were informed that we are no longer allowed to refer to Surgeons, Gasmen or Assistants by their first names. We were also informed that we were not allowed to talk about anything other than our "case". Our program mangager seems to think that we are not being percieved as professional when we refer to to the guys by their first names. Some of us think that this is a retalliation because one of our more prominent surgeons has recently been written up (three times) for harrassment. We think she is in his back pocket. Whatever he needs he gets. Special attention is given to this surgeon, she is in and out of his theatre when he is working. None of our other surgeons get this kind of special attention.

Many of us feel that our department is ripped in half, morale is low. People feel like they cannot go to management with any concerns. When issues come up they are not dealt with, just lip service and no follow-through. Unit meetings are a joke. Everything is her agenda and none of our concerns. Many of us feel that this first name business is just another form of "control" that she needs to exercise over us. CRN's have no input and are never allowed to exercise their own judgement. They are never consulted, and are often "last to know" when things come up.

Just wanting to know what goes on in other O.R.s. Maybe I'm totally out of line here. I think that anything that can foster a sense of "team building" is a positive thing. When you work closely with people and establish a rapport with them I don't feel that referring to someone by the first name is a lack of respect. Thanks for letting me rant.

Specializes in Telemetry, OR, ICU.
I think calling MDs by their first names is pretty touchy. I have seen many nurses do it. And unfortunately have seen nurses get in deep trouble (e.g.,corrected, chewed-up) for it. Most MDs are just too bipolar, and i don't want to take any chances. So when i am at work absolutely "NONE" of those MDs are my friends. So I only address them professionally. I may sometimes joke, but i am very aware of the tempo of the conversation due to sudden shifts in personality, i do believe they call that personality disorder or lack of social skils.

Anyway I have worked with many MDs that i have adored and thought were extremely talented, however in a situation (throwing fits/tantrums) their "WORD" has more validity to the higher ups.

First name basis, NO WAY MAN. I'm super cool with calling them "DOCTOR".

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I'd rather address Dr. John Jones as Doctor Jones, and not John. If, I work with a particular surgeon on a regular basis I'll sometimes address them as "Doc". IMHO, doctors should only be addressed on a first name basis by there peers, and patients. Lets face it, surgeons have gone to school a heck of a lot longer than even a nurse w/MSN.

As to how I wish to be addressed; "Cary", which is my first name will do just fine. To be addressed as, "Nurse Barrett" sounds odd to me. Now, if I'm on military duty, then I'll be addressed as Sir, or Lieutenant Barrett by other military staff, which ever is appropriate/applicable. Patients that are veterans, or presently serving in the military will either address me as Sir, or Lieutenant Barrett depending on there [patient's] military rank.

BTW, I hate it when female nurses will address certain surgeons by there first name... sometimes seems like a little gender favoritism going on. :uhoh21:

Specializes in Telemetry, OR, ICU.
At the hospital in which I work, I have never witnessed a doctor being called by a first name (although just being called 'Dr.' seems to be appropriate), and I don't think I've ever heard a nurse called 'nurse so-and-so', it's always been a first name or an appropriate nickname. Definitely an interesting thread!

Just out of curiousity-how many of you use your last names at work when introducing yourself to patients/families/etc? Do you have your last names on your name badges? If you do, how do you feel about it?

Excellent questions!

I introduce myself to the patient this way, "my name is Cary & I'll be your nurse during the procedure." BTW, on my badge is my first & last name.

:yeahthat:

I'd rather address Dr. John Jones as Doctor Jones, and not John. If, I work with a particular surgeon on a regular basis I'll sometimes address them as "Doc". IMHO, doctors should only be addressed on a first name basis by there peers, and patients. Lets face it, surgeons have gone to school a heck of a lot longer than even a nurse w/MSN.

As to how I wish to be addressed; "Cary", which is my first name will do just fine. To be addressed as, "Nurse Barrett" sounds odd to me. Now, if I'm on military duty, then I'll be addressed as Sir, or Lieutenant Barrett by other military staff, which ever is appropriate/applicable. Patients that are veterans, or presently serving in the military will either address me as Sir, or Lieutenant Barrett depending on there [patient's] military rank.

BTW, I hate it when female nurses will address certain surgeons by there first name... sometimes seems like a little gender favoritism going on. :uhoh21:

I have to disagree:

It's not disrespectful to refer to a surgeon or anyone else by their first name if that's what they want to be called.

There were only 14 surgeons at my last job and we all knew each other pretty well. I feel that it would've been unnatural if we hadn't been somewhat close. However, the same doctor that insists that I call him/her by their first name knows I would never call them anything but "doctor" while around a patient or on the floors. I also don't think that just because someone has an education they're automatically entitled to my respect. I respect people based on the way that they treat others, their knowledge of their particular field, their professionalism, etc. Respect is earned, not handed out with a diploma. That goes for housekeepers right on up.

As far as the military goes that's another world with its own rules that are written in stone. I don't mind an enlisted person calling me "el tee" but then I'm not that stuck on titles or obsessed with my rank.

I also have to disagree with any blanket statement that female nurses are shown gender favoritism. I've worked with plenty of male nurses who don't treat doctors like gods. In fact, where I live the nurses, both male and female, spend time away from work with some of the doctors. Many of us like to mountain bike, road bike, wind surf etc. I don't think it's unusual for people with interests in common spend time together after work.

I've worked in the medical field for 17 of my 37 years and I've never used my gender as a tool or weapon. I've earned whatever respect I might have by hard work and honesty. I would be insulted at any insinuation otherwise. Honestly, anyone that would make a statement like that about all female nurses would be both a chauvinist and an idiot.

Specializes in Telemetry, OR, ICU.
Honestly, anyone that would make a statement like that about all female nurses would be both a chauvinist and an idiot.

Certainly your right to disagree.

Yet, why such discontent and name calling? I never made a statement about all female nurses if your referring to this statement I posted; "BTW, I hate it when female nurses will address certain surgeons by there first name... sometimes seems like a little gender favoritism going on." Do you not read the word sometimes in the above statement? If you have never seen a [not all] female health care professional flirt with a male surgeon, then great for you. Nonetheless, I have seen such. However, does that make me a chauvinist and an idiot for stating my past observations between some female health care professionals and male surgeons? BTW, I feel that those [not all] male surgeons that play along with the flirting are just as much at fault.

Let me ask you this; don't you think a surgeon has earned respect through all the years of hard labor endured during formal education & residency? Of course, some [notice my use of the word some here means not all] new surgeons will be jerks, therefore education alone will not be enough in regards to respect.

BTW, just because I find address of L T by enlisted members to lack respect does not mean I'm obsessed with my rank! Geez, after all the help I gave you with OBC you should know I'm not obsessed with my rank of 1LT. A lot of my military beliefs stem from my USMC background. The USMC is not better than the Army, yet is definitely more strict in the area of military customs & traditions.

Please, by all means debate whatever I post in a constructive manner without mudslinging names such as idiot, chauvinist, obsessed, etc.

While I agree that some flirting goes on in the OR I hardly think the OR is the only place where that happens. Any time men and women work closely together some flirting happens. But that is not the same as someone using their gender to get ahead. I have witnessed that in the past and I abhor it. I have called some surgeons by their first names for years. Not because I am flirting with them but because that is what they want from everyone male and female. BTW I am referring to female surgeons as well as male.

I stand by my opinion that respect is earned not handed out with a diploma. I treat everyone with respect not just those who went to college longer than me. I have enormous respect for the hard work and long hours that go into a doctor's education but that is not the same thing.

I admit that when it comes to the military I am far from the perfect example. I try to abide by the rules and I understand why they are in place but I just don't care that much about rank and promotions at this time. I know that some people work very hard on their military careers and I am by no means trying to belittle their efforts it's just not me... at least not now. I have too many other irons in the fire.

Specializes in Telemetry, OR, ICU.

While I agree that some flirting goes on in the OR I hardly think the OR is the only place where that happens. Any time men and women work closely together some flirting happens. But that is not the same as someone using their gender to get ahead. I have witnessed that in the past and I abhor it. I have called some surgeons by their first names for years. Not because I am flirting with them but because that is what they want from everyone male and female. BTW I am referring to female surgeons as well as male.

I stand by my opinion that respect is earned not handed out with a diploma. I treat everyone with respect not just those who went to college longer than me. I have enormous respect for the hard work and long hours that go into a doctor's education but that is not the same thing.

I admit that when it comes to the military I am far from the perfect example. I try to abide by the rules and I understand why they are in place but I just don't care that much about rank and promotions at this time. I know that some people work very hard on their military careers and I am by no means trying to belittle their efforts it's just not me... at least not now. I have too many other irons in the fire.

:typing ... thanks for a cleaner reply.

You are welcome. I had forgotten that things can get picked apart in some of my replies made about vague statements and loop-holed posts. Actually, the statements I made were not directed at you or anyone else personally. I was speaking in the general sense.

I have met some officers that seem to be obsessed with their rank and get a little power trip from holding it over the heads of enlisted personnel. You weren't even in mind with that comment.

If anyone accused me of using my gender as a weapon at work I would accuse them of being a chauvinist and an idiot. You chose to believe that I was talking about you. Again, I was not.

I have noticed that some (note the use of the word some) people in this forum like to hide behind one or two words in their posts when they clearly mean something else. I guess I just prefer a more straight forward approach. I can take a hit if someone wants to direct something at me personally but they better be ready for return fire.

I had come to this site hoping for clear exchanges of ideas in nursing and all I see is bickering everywhere. With little landmines like the ones I see above strewn all around. I have better things to do with my time than to debate and defend every sentence I've written. Especially when being accused of "discontent and name calling" just because someone doesn't like my dissenting opinion. I work too hard every week to spend my time off with this. And with that clear and concise comment by me let us all part ways here.

Take care all and good luck in the future.

Specializes in Telemetry, OR, ICU.
You are welcome. I had forgotten that things can get picked apart in some of my replies made about vague statements and loop-holed posts. Actually, the statements I made were not directed at you or anyone else personally. I was speaking in the general sense.

I have met some officers that seem to be obsessed with their rank and get a little power trip from holding it over the heads of enlisted personnel. You weren't even in mind with that comment.

If anyone accused me of using my gender as a weapon at work I would accuse them of being a chauvinist and an idiot. You chose to believe that I was talking about you. Again, I was not.

I have noticed that some (note the use of the word some) people in this forum like to hide behind one or two words in their posts when they clearly mean something else. I guess I just prefer a more straight forward approach. I can take a hit if someone wants to direct something at me personally but they better be ready for return fire.

I had come to this site hoping for clear exchanges of ideas in nursing and all I see is bickering everywhere. With little landmines like the ones I see above strewn all around. I have better things to do with my time than to debate and defend every sentence I've written. Especially when being accused of "discontent and name calling" just because someone doesn't like my dissenting opinion. I work too hard every week to spend my time off with this. And with that clear and concise comment by me let us all part ways here.

Take care all and good luck in the future.

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Originally Posted by Corvette Guy

:yeahthat:

I'd rather address Dr. John Jones as Doctor Jones, and not John. If, I work with a particular surgeon on a regular basis I'll sometimes address them as "Doc". IMHO, doctors should only be addressed on a first name basis by there peers, and patients. Lets face it, surgeons have gone to school a heck of a lot longer than even a nurse w/MSN.

As to how I wish to be addressed; "Cary", which is my first name will do just fine. To be addressed as, "Nurse Barrett" sounds odd to me. Now, if I'm on military duty, then I'll be addressed as Sir, or Lieutenant Barrett by other military staff, which ever is appropriate/applicable. Patients that are veterans, or presently serving in the military will either address me as Sir, or Lieutenant Barrett depending on there [patient's] military rank.

BTW, I hate it when female nurses will address certain surgeons by there first name... sometimes seems like a little gender favoritism going on. :uhoh21:

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I have to disagree:

It's not disrespectful to refer to a surgeon or anyone else by their first name if that's what they want to be called.

There were only 14 surgeons at my last job and we all knew each other pretty well. I feel that it would've been unnatural if we hadn't been somewhat close. However, the same doctor that insists that I call him/her by their first name knows I would never call them anything but "doctor" while around a patient or on the floors. I also don't think that just because someone has an education they're automatically entitled to my respect. I respect people based on the way that they treat others, their knowledge of their particular field, their professionalism, etc. Respect is earned, not handed out with a diploma. That goes for housekeepers right on up.

As far as the military goes that's another world with its own rules that are written in stone. I don't mind an enlisted person calling me "el tee" but then I'm not that stuck on titles or obsessed with my rank.

I also have to disagree with any blanket statement that female nurses are shown gender favoritism. I've worked with plenty of male nurses who don't treat doctors like gods. In fact, where I live the nurses, both male and female, spend time away from work with some of the doctors. Many of us like to mountain bike, road bike, wind surf etc. I don't think it's unusual for people with interests in common spend time together after work.

I've worked in the medical field for 17 of my 37 years and I've never used my gender as a tool or weapon. I've earned whatever respect I might have by hard work and honesty. I would be insulted at any insinuation otherwise. Honestly, anyone that would make a statement like that about all female nurses would be both a chauvinist and an idiot.

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I understood your post to be directed at me since you quoted my post. So, I felt obligated to defend my post which you quoted, then replied. However, please don't leave this site just because of our misunderstanding. I'm sure you've seen much worse nit picking discussions on AKO Forums? BTW, as you know I belong to several Car Enthusiast websites. Some of the Car sites can get bogged down with petty post before the Moderators step in to police the Thread. However, this site, allnurses.com, has very diligent Moderators that do an outstanding job in keeping this site on a professional level.

Maybe next time... don't quote someone's post in your reply post if in fact your speaking more in general terms, just a friendly suggestion. Anyway, you have a lot to offer on this site! I look forward to your future post.

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Specializes in O.R., ED, M/S.

I didn't contribute to this discussion, but stick around. Go to any site that has discussion and watch the fur fly! Everyone has an opinion and most people will leave it at that. Even here I have had a few run-ins with people, let my emotions get in front of my better judgement and walk away, only to come back. All posters have something to contribute and something to learn. I have decided that if the subject is something emotional and bears answering, I will. I WILL not get into a war of words with anybody anymore. Corvette Guy is right that a few words will be miscontrued and taken out of context by people and should not be taken personal. Mods here know when to shut down threads before it ecomes a "blood bath". Stick around and monitor some of the discussions and put in opinion when you feel like. I go sometimes weeks and weeks before I post a reply because I want to see where the thread is headed, so I don't insert foot in mouth thing. Hope to see you back. Mike

Specializes in MICU, SICU, CICU.

I have noticed that some (note the use of the word some) people in this forum like to hide behind one or two words in their posts when they clearly mean something else. I guess I just prefer a more straight forward approach. I can take a hit if someone wants to direct something at me personally but they better be ready for return fire.

I would be careful with lauching personal attacks at others. It is a clear violation of the TOS for this bulletin board and could result in your being banned from the site by the administrators.

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