Would you assist in abortions? - page 18

I am just curious. Would you ever work in an abortion clinic? Would you give pills that would cause an abortion? Thanks... Read More

  1. by   suzieq8907
    Just another thing...

    My cousin was pg a few years back and did not want her child. She was 18, and already had one. She wanted an abortion. Her doctor told her that the "thing" (as he called it) was not really alive and that it was okay to kill "it". I am here to tell you that when the sperm and egg make that connection, I do not care how small it may be, that is a child. And I am here to say that that child has a right to live. You may think otherwise and that the mother should be able to choose but if they choose abortion, they are choosing murder and cruel and unusual punishment to their baby who did nothing wrong. It is not your child's fault, so why kill them? I have the upmost respect for people who give their children up for adoption. It shows maturity AND responsibility for their actions. If you choose to have intercourse, then you might as well at that time choose to have a baby (understand that I am not saying everytime u have sex you will get pg lol!!). People who murder innocent children disgust me. It may sound harsh, but cmon people do not murder your kids!
  2. by   Hardknox
    Quote from truesn
    I wouldn't want to assist in the actual procedure, but YES I'd give the most compassionate and comforting care possible afterwards.

    Would you refuse to give care to an end-stage AIDS patient that contracted the virus through homosexual acts?? Would you refuse to take care of a drug overdose??

    Personally, I think it's not a nurse's place to make judgements about a patient's life style, decisions, etc.
    I totally agree. After all my years of living, I do not have all the answers to life's problems. I see nothing in black and white any more. I would give compassioniate care to ALL my patients.
  3. by   Nurse Hopeful
    No not ever.
  4. by   suzieq8907
    I would not judge any patient. I would treat an drug user who OD or an AIDS reciepient but I would never assist in murder.
  5. by   nursebedlam
    no i don't think i could work in that type of environment, think i'd find it pretty depressing
  6. by   TDub
    This may be a very inflammatory opinion--who am I kidding, it IS inflammatory--but I think as nurses, as soon as we accepted the responsibility to be nurses, we gave up the right to decide who gets care and who doesn't.

    If we allow ourselves to say "I won't take care of X.", then where do you stop? I think rapists should be grilled over an open fire, but can I say, "No, I won't take care of him"? (And yes, I was in that position. I gritted my teeth and went in with a pleasant expression on my face and did a good job.) Can I refuse care to child molesters? How 'bout blacks? Asians? Gays? Christians, pro.lifers? Anyone else of whom I disapprove?


    Where does it stop?

    I firmly believe we have a sacred duty to care for whoever shows up. You can ask if another nurse could do it for you, but if it comes down to the wire, *tag* you're it. We are not the Final Arbeiter--leave that to God. I'm a Christian and I personally think God would be very disappointed in me if I decided I was going to pick and choose who had the "right" to care.

    I don't like abortion either. I don't think I could have one. I hope for the day when no one wants or needs an abortion, but that day is far off. Meanwhile, I'll take a deep breath, screw my courage to the sticking point and go in to give good care.



    I apologive in advance if I am offending anyone. I think this is an important issue and all points should be heard.
  7. by   PegRNBSN
    Quote from TDub
    This may be a very inflammatory opinion--who am I kidding, it IS inflammatory--but I think as nurses, as soon as we accepted the responsibility to be nurses, we gave up the right to decide who gets care and who doesn't.

    If we allow ourselves to say "I won't take care of X.", then where do you stop? I think rapists should be grilled over an open fire, but can I say, "No, I won't take care of him"? (And yes, I was in that position. I gritted my teeth and went in with a pleasant expression on my face and did a good job.) Can I refuse care to child molesters? How 'bout blacks? Asians? Gays? Christians, pro.lifers? Anyone else of whom I disapprove?


    Where does it stop?

    I firmly believe we have a sacred duty to care for whoever shows up. You can ask if another nurse could do it for you, but if it comes down to the wire, *tag* you're it. We are not the Final Arbeiter--leave that to God. I'm a Christian and I personally think God would be very disappointed in me if I decided I was going to pick and choose who had the "right" to care.

    I don't like abortion either. I don't think I could have one. I hope for the day when no one wants or needs an abortion, but that day is far off. Meanwhile, I'll take a deep breath, screw my courage to the sticking point and go in to give good care.



    I apologive in advance if I am offending anyone. I think this is an important issue and all points should be heard.

    Refusing to assist in a procedure which kills another patient and is not usually a medical necessity is totally different from refusing to care for a type of patient who has a true medical need. Getting my nursing license did not mandate that I participate in murder
  8. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Give up the right? Hmmmm----Becoming a nurse does NOT equate with violating one's moral code for a procedure that is NOT provided in a case of medical necessity or emergency. NOWHERE IN OUR CODE DOES IT SAY WE REFUTE ALL MORAL/RELIGIOUS beliefs to BECOME NURSES. NO where does it say in my nurse practice act I need do so, either.

    That said, I am pro-choice, just in case you think otherwise. But I CANNOT SEE FORCING A NURSE WHO IS AGAINST ABORTION IN ASSISTING WITH ONE. NO ONE IS SERVED well by so-doing. The nurse, certainly, but neither is the patient. How supportive can a nurse be in such a situation and WHY subject the patient to his/her discomfort in it?
  9. by   Spidey's mom
    The question is would you assist in an abortion. Not, if you worked in a place that did abortions would you assist. There is a big difference. And yes, we do have a choice.

    steph
  10. by   sbic56
    Quote from TDub
    This may be a very inflammatory opinion--who am I kidding, it IS inflammatory--but I think as nurses, as soon as we accepted the responsibility to be nurses, we gave up the right to decide who gets care and who doesn't.

    If we allow ourselves to say "I won't take care of X.", then where do you stop? I think rapists should be grilled over an open fire, but can I say, "No, I won't take care of him"? (And yes, I was in that position. I gritted my teeth and went in with a pleasant expression on my face and did a good job.) Can I refuse care to child molesters? How 'bout blacks? Asians? Gays? Christians, pro.lifers? Anyone else of whom I disapprove?


    Where does it stop?

    I firmly believe we have a sacred duty to care for whoever shows up. You can ask if another nurse could do it for you, but if it comes down to the wire, *tag* you're it. We are not the Final Arbeiter--leave that to God. I'm a Christian and I personally think God would be very disappointed in me if I decided I was going to pick and choose who had the "right" to care.

    I don't like abortion either. I don't think I could have one. I hope for the day when no one wants or needs an abortion, but that day is far off. Meanwhile, I'll take a deep breath, screw my courage to the sticking point and go in to give good care.



    I apologive in advance if I am offending anyone. I think this is an important issue and all points should be heard.
    I understand your stance and totally agree. I wouldn't have an abortion myself, but am pro-choice. Of course, assisting would not be a pleasant experience, but neither is it for the woman undergoing the procedure. I could get past my own prejudices and be there for her in this time where she needs support void of any judgment. Could I do this on a daily basis? No, but I respect those who do for their compassion and ability to be there in a time that is so very hard for so many.
  11. by   TDub
    Something I failed to make clear was that I was talking about a nurse refusing to assist when she worked in a place where assisting was the standard. If you feel like it's murder, or if it violates your moral principles, obviously would wouldn't be interested in a job there. I wouldn't work in a place that went against my beliefs, either. I'm not being snarky or taking the piss, I'm agreeing with your viewpoint. Sort of a moot point really.


    My stance was with nurses who refuse when they knew it was a condition of employment. This happens often at work; someone wants the high wage , doesn't want to work for the lower paying, non unionized Catholic hospital across town, but balks at the duties.

    I agree: if you think it's wrong, don't do it. Just don't get yourself in a position where you feel you must refuse to participate in someone's ongoing care.


    Another point: How do you feel about an abortion to save someone's life? For example, a woman has cancer and needs treatment to live? Please tell me your position. And again, this isn't to be snotty or in-your-face, I truly want to know how you feel.




    EDIT: I'd like to point out that with all of our varied opinions, viewpoints and levels of passion, eveyone here is respectful in the expression of those opinions. This is why I love being a nurse. We may disagree, but we will defend each other's rights. Nurses are awesome!
    Last edit by TDub on Apr 29, '04
  12. by   suzieq8907
    Quote from TDub
    Something I failed to make clear was that I was talking about a nurse refusing to assist when she worked in a place where assisting was the standard. If you feel like it's murder, or if it violates your moral principles, obviously would wouldn't be interested in a job there. I wouldn't work in a place that went against my beliefs, either. I'm not being snarky or taking the piss, I'm agreeing with your viewpoint. Sort of a moot point really.


    My stance was with nurses who refuse when they knew it was a condition of employment. This happens often at work; someone wants the high wage , doesn't want to work for the lower paying, non unionized Catholic hospital across town, but balks at the duties.

    I agree: if you think it's wrong, don't do it. Just don't get yourself in a position where you feel you must refuse to participate in someone's ongoing care.


    Another point: How do you feel about an abortion to save someone's life? For example, a woman has cancer and needs treatment to live? Please tell me your position. And again, this isn't to be snotty or in-your-face, I truly want to know how you feel.




    EDIT: I'd like to point out that with all of our varied opinions, viewpoints and levels of passion, eveyone here is respectful in the expression of those opinions. This is why I love being a nurse. We may disagree, but we will defend each other's rights. Nurses are awesome!
    It is not that I feel like abortion is murder, its the fact that it IS murder and that murder is a crime and people who commit it should and will in the end pay the price. About saving someone's life, I will be honest enough to say I am not sure what my stance on that is. I fully believe abortion is completley and totaly wrong, yet I would want to save the mother's life as well. And it would be the mothers choice whether or not to have the precedure......the question was "would you assist in an abortion" and my answer is a firm no.
  13. by   FNimuaeMae
    I just applied for a job at a hospital where one of the units I might possibly work on does 2nd trimester abortions, which the recruiter told me on the phone. I'm pro choice, never had an abortion nor have I ever been pregnant, but it was a good question to ponder.

    I guess they have someone dedicated to doing those cases, but of course they won't always be there when those cases come in.

    After a day or so of pondering, I came up with the thought that nurses are exposed to many many of the uglier aspects of life as par for the course in this profession, and while I may be pro choice, I may not want to participate in assisting with an abortion as a matter of just wanting to preserve a little more of my own personal "innocence" from some of those uglier aspects of life. So I think thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

    M (needing to go back to bed)

close