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| No. 40 |
Oct 08, 2009, 05:46 PM
Re: Woman Calls C-Section "Rape" Originally Posted by ~Mi Vida Loca~ So what happens to her rights if they get a court order to force her into a C Section?
I'd have to know more about the court order. Is it to get her to have one no matter what, or is it saying if she goes to this hospital in labor, she's getting a c-section?
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Oct 08, 2009, 05:47 PM
Re: Woman Calls C-Section "Rape" Originally Posted by Fiona59 Preaching to the choir. I was diagnosed with PTSD after a vaginal delivery. The hospital that performed the delivery was under review because they were doing too many sections for what was percieved to be the doctors convenience. I had the misfortune to go into labour on Wednesday night and deliver Friday morning. Friday being the day that "too" may sections were performed. I wound up needing corrective surgery to repair the damage done during that delivery. Diagnosed first with PPD and then finally PTSD. It took me years to even consider another pregnancy, then I was deemed to be high risk and told where I could deliver and what my options would be if plan A failed.
If they had done the damned section in the first place, I would have been spared a psychiatric stay, a couple of gynie procedures to repair the damage caused by high forceps and my last child would have been born sooner.
So don't tell me that I take the risks of surgery lightly.
So sorry to hear about your PTSD. I know that must have been very difficult.
It's just that so often, the risks of c-section are completely glossed over, while the dangers of VBAC are grossly exaggerated (been there, done that, had c/s with my first- terrible experience/recovery with PPD afterwards- and then a VBAC)-- when the risks of c-section are very, very real.
Our c-section rate keeps climbing every year. The WHO says c-section rate should be between 5-10%, no more than 15%. Our national average right now is over 30% (don't have the latest number right now, but it can be found at the ICAN website), much closer to 40% in some areas. That's astounding.
Too many OBs are practicing defensive medicine (taking action even when not needed, so it looks like they were being proactive) instead of looking out for their patient's (and baby's) best interests.
I think some OBs are beginning to realize that women can be empowered, educated consumers.
| | No. 42 |
Oct 08, 2009, 06:03 PM
Re: Woman Calls C-Section "Rape" Originally Posted by Apgar10 I guess I could be poking fun at the tone of your comment, not the idea, of self-determination, because women don't get classes in self-determination during pregnancy, they get pamphlets, books, and classes on how to ask their doctors what is best for them. They get tours of hospitals that tell them how it's going to work for them while they're there. In all the planned hospital births I've attended, I've only had one doctor provide a semblance of self-determination to the patient and that was after the nurse told her she'd be in bed for the duration of her pitocin induction, could have clear fluids only, and needed constant monitoring. The doctor interrupted her to say the patient was an adult in the hospital, not jail, and could do whatever she liked.
We must have known a lot of the same doctors  . I'll admit to being idealistic. I teach, and autonomy is one of my soapboxes. Hoping to influence the next generation of nurses so that we can at some point influence the docs a few generations down.
| | No. 43 |
Oct 08, 2009, 06:09 PM
Re: Woman Calls C-Section "Rape" Originally Posted by wooh Patients have the right to self-determination. But a doctor/hospital/hospital staff shouldn't be required to go against their policies to do it. If a patient is well enough to be "picky" about what they want, then they need to go where they can get it. If the next hospital that can do it is far away, then they have the choice, find a way to get there or have the treatment you can get close by.
Patients have the right to say no. I should have the right to say no I won't accept the liability if you won't accept my judgement.
To an extent, I agree. Until labor, the doctor has the right to refer and discharge the client if she is not willing to accept his/her recommendations. In labor, however, we can't turn them away and we can't force procedures on them.
Healthcare professionals do have the right to refuse to do something we think is unsafe or poor care, but IMO that should extend only to active processes, not passive ones. An OB has the right to refuse a social induction, or a patient choice c/s, for example (and refer that client to someone else), but does not have the right to refuse to "allow" a client to vaginally birth or to carry past term. Refusing to allow a client to allow nature to take its course requires forcing the client to have a procedure against his/her will.
| | No. 44 |
Oct 08, 2009, 06:10 PM
Re: Woman Calls C-Section "Rape"
We're taught in first semester of nursing school that "pain is whatever the patient says it is." This woman says that's how she feels (the original comparison to rape). End of story. It's not for us to say that someone is overreacting or not. That's the same as saying, "you have a healthy baby, how can you be disappointed?"
Those of us who have had or attended home births, even with obstetrical complications, know that there is something radically wrong with hospital birth in the U.S. We need to keep pushing for further development- epidurals that restrict movement and cause more complications/interventions, and Cesareans where the team is talking about the Red Sox, are by no means ideal.
| | No. 48 |
Oct 08, 2009, 07:44 PM
Re: Woman Calls C-Section "Rape"
This women is blatantly insulting rape victims and that's what ****** me off the most. I know several women/girls who were sexually assaulted or abused.
No one is FORCING her to get a C-section! She's entitled to take her saggy butt to another hospital. This woman deeply disgusts me and I hold no pity for her.
| | No. 49 |
Oct 08, 2009, 08:13 PM
Re: Woman Calls C-Section "Rape" Originally Posted by Inspired By Silence This women is blatantly insulting rape victims and that's what ****** me off the most. I know several women/girls who were sexually assaulted or abused.
No one is FORCING her to get a C-section! She's entitled to take her saggy butt to another hospital. This woman deeply disgusts me and I hold no pity for her.
I have been sexually assaulted and abused and I don't feel insulted by her. In fact I have also had a Gynecologist act inappropriate and very aggressive in providing care to me and it made me feel much the same as it did when I was sexually assaulted and they Gyno didn't sexually assault me. A woman can feel violated comparable to rape or sexual assault without it technically being rape or sexual assault and I am speaking from first hand experience on the matter.
Would you feel violated if you were forced to have a vasectomy because someone felt it was what was best?
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