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No. 10
Old Oct 07, 2009, 06:31 PM

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Here's a genius solution: Nurse midwife can help her give birth at home OR she can take her saggy butt to a different hospital instead of acting like a spoiled brat screaming for a toy.
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No. 11
from Batman24
Old Oct 07, 2009, 06:45 PM

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I would look into a home birth pronto if I were her. If she can travel a distance I would find another doc and hospital willing to at least try to accomodate her.

Not a fan of forced VBACs nor am I am fan of a hospital not equipped to do an emergency c-section. That is beyond dangerous to mother and baby. If they aren't equipped to perform emergency c-sections they shouldn't be in the delivery business until they can.
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No. 12
from ivanh3
Old Oct 07, 2009, 06:57 PM

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I can understand the sentiment of a person wanting control over what happens to their body (and the body of their unborn child). One thing the article does not give though is background information on the hospital. If it truly is the only hospital around, their resources could very well be limited. There is data out there that suggests that hospitals that perform certain procedures more often usually have better outcomes in regards to those procedures. So the hospital's claim that they don't feel equipped to do emergent c-sections could be legit.

I don't know about the rape connection. As a former police officer, paramedic, and ER RN, I have worked with many rape victims. In my head I just can't seem to make the comparison work, but I guess I understand that others might. What does stick out to me is the notion that the patient (who in reality is a consumer) thinks she can control hospital policy. The hospital has said up front what its policy is. That is part of informed consent. She knows what her options are. My opinion here is that she should make other arrangements. I do acknowledge that might be easier said than done if resources are limited in terms of finance or geography.

Ivan
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No. 13
from Fiona59
Old Oct 07, 2009, 07:34 PM

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Isn't the objective of delivery to have a healthy mother and child?


She needs to find another hospital. Then if she needs a section, she should be grateful that they were able to do it.

Too many women are today placing too much emphasis on the method rather than the outcome of delivery.
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No. 14
from Cindy-san
Old Oct 07, 2009, 08:17 PM

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Isn't that the only hospital in Page? How are they not equipped for emergency c-sections?

Originally Posted by Inspired By Silence View Post
Here's a genius solution: Nurse midwife can help her give birth at home OR she can take her saggy butt to a different hospital instead of acting like a spoiled brat screaming for a toy.
Ignoring the fact that she doesn't have a lot of selection in hospitals where she lives, the insults in your comment are uncalled for.
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No. 15
from colavadel
Old Oct 07, 2009, 09:11 PM

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Forced entry into someone's body= rape in my book.
I can easily see the connection and would feel the same way.

And to say she's whining about a toy? She is calling attention to the fact that her rights as a patient, as a mother, as a human, are being taken away. All over silly hospital policy? It makes absolutely no sense.
The hospital should be ashamed and she should definitely take her business elsewhere, as should other local mothers- especially since this hospital has admitted that they are not equipped to deal with emergencies that could arise. Good for her for bringing this issue to light.
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No. 16
from colavadel
Old Oct 07, 2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiona59 View Post
Isn't the objective of delivery to have a healthy mother and child?


She needs to find another hospital. Then if she needs a section, she should be grateful that they were able to do it.

Too many women are today placing too much emphasis on the method rather than the outcome of delivery.
The "method" of delivery can have a lot to DO with the outcome of delivery- for both mother and baby. Risks of surgery shouldn't be taken so lightly.


This woman has had three children- first was vaginal, second was c/s, and third was vaginal (VBAC). Now she should consent to another c/s, just because the hospital has decided that they would now prefer that? When just two years ago they "let" her VBAC?
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No. 17
Old Oct 07, 2009, 09:20 PM

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This woman was forced to have something done to her body against her wishes. I have heard of woman that refuse c-sections and then are forced by court order to get one. What other medical procedure is forced upon a patient? Just because a penis and vagina was not involved does not mean this woman did not feel violated.
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No. 18
from Moogie
Old Oct 07, 2009, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Elvish View Post
The issue is that there are, unfortunately, too many doctors that take advantage of women's trust in them. Telling them they 'need' c/sections when they really don't.

I don't see the comparison between a necessary c/s (say, for a complete previa) and rape. However, if there's no good indication for it, she doesn't want one, and she still gets one, then technically that can be considered a violation of her body. Any other surgery performed on someone unnecessarily and against their will can be considered assault/battery. The thing is, it's hard to prove, especially when the doctor has documented things like 'CPD' or 'fetal distress' that may or may not have actually existed, that a section was done unecessarily (though most places keep monitor strips for the record as well). But I think anyone who has been in OB long enough can tell you that it happens.
There are docs who are also very keen on performing unnecessary hysterectomies. I went to an OB/GYN for pelvic floor issues related to my first child's birth (mid-forceps---yeowch!) and he tried to frighten me into an immediate hysterectomy. He pretty much told me that he wanted to schedule it for the very next week, giving me no time to think about it or talk it over with anyone. This jerk actually inferred that my uterus might fall out in the parking lot when I was walking to my car. I am sure someone without a health care background would have been pressured and frightened into agreeing to a hysterectomy. As an RN, I knew better. I got a second opinion at a different institution and avoided surgery at that time. NEVER went back to that butcher, either.

I am not sure I would go so far as to equate a repeat C-section with rape because sexual assault is the most intimate violation imaginable. However, it is still a violation and, while I don't quite agree with this woman's statement, I admire her for standing up for her rights and being a self-advocate. More women should follow her example, especially when it comes to OB/GYN care.
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No. 19
from Moogie
Old Oct 07, 2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Inspired By Silence View Post
Here's a genius solution: Nurse midwife can help her give birth at home OR she can take her saggy butt to a different hospital instead of acting like a spoiled brat screaming for a toy.
Excuse me, but I find this statement to be rather offensive. I certainly expect more maturity from someone who is aspiring to a career in health care than to make judgmental statements about how a patient can "drag her saggy butt" to a different institution or calling her a "spoiled brat" because is advocating for herself. Nurses are expected to advocate for their patients and advocacy demands respect. Call me old school but I think statements like that do not demonstrate much empathy or respect for others.

I was seventeen when I started as a nursing assistant and I learned very quickly to treat my patients with the same kind of respect with which I would like to be treated.

Um, good luck in your career. You may need it.
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