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No. 20
Old Jul 22, 2005, 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by RNnL&D
Our consents simply state "delivery and care of baby". However they are briefed on side effects, depends on the doc or nurse. I always explain the possible adverse reactions to Cytotec, Cervidil, and Pitocin. I'm unsure what others nurses do. I feel it is my responsibility to explain Cytotec the same as I would Nubain, or Vistaril, or Brethine......

Unfortunately, some patients don't really care.
sounds very familiar. I never ever do anything w/o knowing the patient understands the rationale, risks and benefits to our interventions. It's how I have always practiced. It's the ethical thing to do.
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No. 21
from midwife2b
Old Jul 22, 2005, 07:05 AM

Default Advantages of cytotec
Where I work as a L&D nurse, we don't use a lot of Cytotec for inductions or ripening, mainly IUFD's and PP hemorrhage. I did midwifery training in places that used it exclusively (almost no pitocin and almost no cervidil) because of the cost.
The nice thing about it was the women didn't have to be continuously monitored (after 1-2 hrs they could get OOB and have intermittent monitoring).
I really haven't had any side effects. I've not had any decels... with hyperstim, I turn the mom on her side, maybe give a fluid bolus, but as long as the baby looks ok just try to ride it out. I always have some Terb if I need it.
Our cervidil pts have to be monitored continuously for the entire 12 hours. Are there places that only do a couple of hours? Would love some references so maybe I can change some practices...
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No. 22
from RNnL&D
Old Jul 22, 2005, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by midwife2b
Our cervidil pts have to be monitored continuously for the entire 12 hours. Are there places that only do a couple of hours? Would love some references so maybe I can change some practices...
Ours too. Cytotec is one to two hours after placement. Cervidil is continuous.
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No. 23
from Rose B
Old Jul 24, 2005, 05:34 AM

We give Cytotec 50mcg PO every 4 hours starting at about 2100. We must have a positive NST prior, monitor for 1 hour continuously after, then monitor for 15 minutes of every hour. We start a saline lock also. Then do a pit induction in the am. I recently had a grav 2 deliver within 3 hours after the first dose. Never had a primip deliver with just the cytotec.
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No. 24
from mari31666
Old Jul 24, 2005, 09:55 AM

we use cytotec on a regular for diu's and for inductions. we monitor everyone continously. usually we see hyper stimulation and end up d/c it. then after a few hours of them still hypercontracting it will slow down. then we pit them. by the way i'd say most patients go on pit. out of 100 pts usually only 1 or 2 dont get pit and those are usually the ones that come in fd and deliver 5 mins after coming in triage. why do we pit everyone? is that common everywhere? just asking
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No. 25
from bunny722
Old Aug 25, 2005, 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by CEG
I was induced with cytotec with my daughter. I had to sign a waiver that stated it was being used off label and was not approved by the FDA for that use. It also outlined the risks and gave statistics. Interestingly, I was familiar with it because the same one was passed around in my Bradley class so I had read it before and done some research. I would say they definitely attempted to make me aware of the risks, although who knows if most people really read those things.
I am an L & D nurse and we use cytotec all the time for cervical ripening. We use PO and PV routes. There is no waiver for patients to sign, and the doctors use it without giving the patients full, informed consent about the fact that it is not FDA approved and that it can cause uterine rupture! There are plenty of other drugs/methods we can use with much less risk. I for one will never let them use it on me whenever I have a baby!
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No. 26
from bunny722
Old Aug 25, 2005, 03:27 AM
Updated Aug 25, 2005 at 10:45 AM by SmilingBluEyes

Default Read this JAMA article
I cut and pasted this article, so I apologize the "form" is not better.


A 38-Year-Old Woman With Fetal Loss
and Hysterectomy
Benjamin P. Sachs, MB, BS, Discussant
DR DELBANCO: Mrs W is a married, self-employed, healthy
woman living in a community several hours from Boston.
She has private health insurance. At age 38, she was admitted
to the hospital for elective delivery of her first child, but
the admission ended tragically with fetal loss, hysterectomy,
and a prolonged hospitalization.

***********************************
Moderator note:

This appears to be an excellent article. I would ask you please post the link so we may access and read and possibly, discuss it. It's very cautionary! Thank you for understanding.

deb
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No. 27
Old Aug 25, 2005, 10:36 AM

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No. 28
from FrumDoula
Old Aug 25, 2005, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by bunny722
I am an L & D nurse and we use cytotec all the time for cervical ripening. We use PO and PV routes. There is no waiver for patients to sign, and the doctors use it without giving the patients full, informed consent about the fact that it is not FDA approved and that it can cause uterine rupture! There are plenty of other drugs/methods we can use with much less risk. I for one will never let them use it on me whenever I have a baby!
This is so criminal. Women should at least know that they're a guinea pig. I mean, to get a VBAC, you have to sign a million waiver forms indicating your informed consent, though it's often more of a scare tactic. But for Cytotec? Nada. Seems you only get to be informed if the doc or hospital wants you to be. Scary.

Alison
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No. 29
Old Aug 25, 2005, 03:18 PM

I can't imagine why they are being asked NOT to sign consents for this treatment.

Alison points out a valid issue: if we make them sign "their lives away" for VBAC then why not for cytotec/pitocin use (which have their own dangers).

Anyone?
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