The Circumcision Discussion - page 87
I know this can be a HUGE debate, and I'm not looking to start any arguments. I was just wondering as you are OB nurses. I'm expecting a boy in July and not sure if we should circ. or not. My... Read More
Quote from Belinda-walesI am glad to say my boys have all their boby parts that they were born with one day the USA will wake up and the truth will be out the population (who I do not blaim) have been brain washed into circs because it makes money last year 4.1 million babies were born in the usa - say half were boys and 90% get circ @ 120$ approx a snip got work it out - circ has nothing to do with anything except the cash made from it. Every single year this money is made imagine the loss in revinue if circ stopped. The truth is it is a violation in the human rights of a child - but nothing is done about it.
And I will say it again - it has nothing to do with anything except money!
Apr 14, '09 by consult2Another correlation showing circumcision is all about greed..
Apr 14, '09 by Elvish, BSN, RN GuideWe are actually rethinking circs at our hospital because we are losing so much money on them. Since it's not covered by Medicaid parents currently have to sign a waiver stating they understand they'll be getting a bill. Few people actually pay the bill once it comes, and the hospital writes it off. We are considering having parents pay the bill before ever coming to the hospital (if they know they are having a boy) or at the very least before they can have it done in the hospital.
I think this is great - we are currently losing at least six figures on circs alone at my hospital.
Our private docs, I am sure, make money off it, but our hospital surely doesn't.
Apr 14, '09 by consult2"I think this is great - we are currently losing at least six figures on circs alone at my hospital."
Further proof that circumcision is BIG business--and when the medical industry as a whole stops making money, and possible losing money, this madness will stop.
It is, and always has been all about the money--IF the industry actually believed it was so beneficial, they would offer free circumcisions. They don't!
Watch this space as soon as it stops paying it will be dropped like a hot potato!
Apr 14, '09 by ~Mi Vida Loca~RNAll 3 of my sons had circumcisions, I know I already stated that in this thread but I wanted to share the problems I had. Had my daughter been a boy I wouldn't have had it done. I was very uninformed back then, I was young and did what I was told to do. I think I also shared my husband is not circumcised.
So Son#1 had the ring thingy that fell off, it looked terrible, I cared for it how I was told but when he was a like 8 months old the Dr. noticed the skin was re-attaching. Yes I did pull it back as I was instructed and then I was told it wouldn't be a problem after a few months. I mean after all, wasn't that the whole point?? So anyway, talk about disgusting, the Dr. pulled it back and my son screamed and there was a thick ring of smegma.
Son#2 had where they just cut it, since I was aware of what happened with Son #1 I was vigilant with it but again it happened. I noticed one morning half of it was stuck. It was like overnight it adhered back. I made an appt. so it could be taken care of right away before it got worse and the Pediatrician told me it was fine and not to worry about it and I didn't need to mess with it. I wasn't comfortable with this at all but I also wasn't comfortable pulling it apart myself. So months go by and it's all the way around now and again, the Ped. says not to worry about it, that as he gets older when he has an erection it will pull itself apart :stone I was mortified at the thought of this and very upset and I didn't know what to do. Well a few weeks later I notice a bump on his penis and I take him in and he has a little cyst on his shaft and they schedule surgery to remove it. I talk to the surgeon and let him now about the circ and what the Ped. said and he was taken aback. He was like, so you just have to wait for it to tear itself apart when his penis gets bigger, that is what your Doc. is suggesting?? I was like yes, he told me not to worry and he would take care of it when my son was already under for the surgery and he would make sure it didn't happen again. Thankfully it didn't happen again.
I have a lot of guilt on being so misinformed and getting it done. I am the type that researches everything, but this one thing I never did until I was older and pregnant with my last child in 07.
My husband isn't the cleanliness of people, I mean he showers daily and weard deoderant and stuff, but unless he was working on something and got really gross, he just uses water to wash. Not sure why he is anti soap, but he says water works just fine. He has never had any problems with not being cut. To be honest, you can't even really tell.Last edit by ~Mi Vida Loca~RN on Apr 16, '09
Apr 14, '09 by Elvish, BSN, RN GuideI have a lot of guilt on being so misinformed and getting it down.
Yes do not feel guilty - its not about guilt - people the public are brain washed in to this - you believe what you are told. I am happy my boys are intact I do feel that they may stand out from their friends and will be in the minority - but is there body as informed adults should they choose to get them selves circumcised that will be their choice I I will support their free choice and informed decision 100%.
Apr 15, '09 by consult2"he just uses water to wash. Not sure why he is anti soap, but he says water works just fine. He has never had any problems with not being cut. To be honest, you can't even really tell."
Your husband is right, one should never use soap inside the foreskin. This destroys the natural flora and fauna which makes it susceptible to infections and/or balantis.. AND causes keratinization and the subsequent loss of sensation.
Apr 15, '09 by consult2Do not feel guilty, place the blame where it belongs--on the American medical industry--they created this circumcision obsession in this country and their CHOSEN ignorance perpetuates it.
When we know better, we do better.
Belinda, the rate of circumcision in the US is around 55% and falling, so your sons may be in a slight minority now, but in 5 years, they will be the majority. So the "locker room" argument really has no import.
Apr 15, '09 by Elvish, BSN, RN GuideOur circ rate in the hospital runs about with the nationwide average, so if your boys are around here, they'll be in good company.
I'll be teaching my son a few good comebacks just in case he ever does get picked on, though.
Apr 15, '09 by brillohead, ASN, RNMy intact 9yo has been involved in hockey for five years now, and in spite of the fact that he's been sharing locker rooms with males ages 3-73 for the past five years, he has yet to have anyone comment.
I would think that the easiest comeback for anyone, any age, would simply be to ask why they were looking at some other guy's penis that closely in the first place. From a very young age my son knew that your "privates" are meant to be kept PRIVATE, and it's rude to be looking at someone else's groin even if it is visible in the locker room. If someone is heterosexual, they won't like the implication that they might be homosexual, and if someone is a closet homosexual, it won't do them any good to be "outed" unintentionally in that way.Last edit by Elvish on Apr 15, '09 : Reason: referenced deleted post
Apr 15, '09 by Elvish, BSN, RN GuideI just plan on having him ask what they are doing looking anyway.