The Circumcision Discussion - page 68

I know this can be a HUGE debate, and I'm not looking to start any arguments. I was just wondering as you are OB nurses. I'm expecting a boy in July and not sure if we should circ. or not. My... Read More

  1. by   VizslaMom
    Aren't you a bit bold?
    It's my son. It's my decision.

    Until it's termed 'illegal'... which I highly doubt it ever will be... it's no one else's business but mine and my family's.

    You can't stand hearing that little boys aren't traumatized by this, as you would love to believe.

    My son is a perfectly happy little 'Circ'd' boy. His brother will be too.
    Last edit by rn/writer on Jan 24, '09 : Reason: Removed TOS violations.
  2. by   ElvishDNP
    Would the same argument be made in defense of a family that wanted to make a pinprick in their baby girl's labia? Why is that not allowed? She won't remember it. It's not disfiguring. Just a little pinprick. Not allowed. Why?

    What is the difference? Can anyone answer that question?

    Many women in this country - yes, right in the USA - were circumcised or otherwise had their genitalia altered by doctors. Along came some more research that decided, well, perhaps, that's not the cause of all these ills nor the cure for them. When will we give boys the same due?
    http://www.womenshealth.gov/faq/fema...al-cutting.cfm
  3. by   AirforceRN
    Quote from VizslaMom
    Personal decision. End of story.
    Choosing when in your life to lose your virginity is a personal decision....having someone else make that decision for you is rape....
    Choosing when to have your genitals altered is a personal decision...having someone else make that decision for you is...definitely not a personal decision.

    Its a debate VizslaMom...both sides are on soapboxes and high horses...we both think we are on the higher moral ground...that's how the game is played.

    As an aside...why did you choose to circ your sons VizslaMom?
  4. by   Smurfette752
    As far as it becoming illegal....and maybe it will, maybe it won't....it is a possibility... Check out http://www.mgmbill.org/ Just for some additional information.

    There are already SEVERAL states whose Medicaid will not pay for it, and there are several more that are in the process of making this change as well....and soon after many HMO's and other insurances (some already don't) will stop payment for this "procedure" and guess what will happen?

    But the ridiculous"cleanliness", "being like daddy" and all that other BS...is NO reason to permanently alter and scar a child penis/or any other body part for that matter, because they aren't real reasons.
  5. by   BroadwayRN
    I think circumcision is a good thing. Sure it's painful but within minutes the baby is quiet again. They cry the first few times they pee but again within minutes the baby is quiet again. I don't think the act of infant circumcision has destroyed anyones mental health. I haven't heard any men say they feel as though they were raped, mamed, abused, whatever by their parents because they were circumsized.

    We had a small boy in the ER with phimosis and it was horrible! He had to undergo an emergent circumcision. I visited the child several times afterwards (I happened to be their neighbor) and that poor child was in agony for several weeks. The mother had been berated about having her son circ'd when he was born and she gave into the pressure and did not have him circ'd. She said she will never ever again have a son without having him circ'd before they leave the hospital. The little 3 year old boy was on a narcotic pain med for almost 3 weeks and took 5 weeks to completely recover.
  6. by   Atheos
    Quote from BroadwayRN
    I haven't heard any men say they feel as though they were raped, mamed, abused, whatever by their parents because they were circumsized.

    I am a man... I was abused by being cut.
  7. by   2curlygirls
    What evidence do you have that they ARE NOT traumatized by this? I was traumatized getting my ears pierced! And that was my decision!
  8. by   Smurfette752
    Quote from BroadwayRN
    I haven't heard any men say they feel as though they were raped, mamed, abused, whatever by their parents because they were circumsized.

    We had a small boy in the ER with phimosis and it was horrible! He had to undergo an emergent circumcision. I visited the child several times afterwards (I happened to be their neighbor) and that poor child was in agony for several weeks. The mother had been berated about having her son circ'd when he was born and she gave into the pressure and did not have him circ'd. She said she will never ever again have a son without having him circ'd before they leave the hospital.
    I actually have know several men who resent being circ'd...SEVERAL.
    AND Phimosis is horrible, but it is also not common....it is just where the (and I know you know this, I'm not saying you don't) foreskin doesn't fully retract...but there are ways of fixing that without circ'ing.
    More common than Phimosis is botched circs....sadly.
  9. by   BroadwayRN
    I've had my ears pierced x 2 and I wasn't in the least traumatized, perhaps that is an individual reaction.

    I have never heard a guy say he was traumatized by being circumsized. Seriously, have you? I do know several uncircumsized guys who wish they had been circumsized at birth because they're too chicken to do it now.
  10. by   BroadwayRN
    Where are the guys? I think they should weigh in on this issue. They are after all the ones whose opinions count.

    Phimosis may be uncommon but if you're the one with it then it automatically becomes a 100% probability!
  11. by   Smurfette752
    Quote from BroadwayRN
    I've had my ears pierced x 2 and I wasn't in the least traumatized, perhaps that is an individual reaction.

    I have never heard a guy say he was traumatized by being circumsized. Seriously, have you? I do know several uncircumsized guys who wish they had been circumsized at birth because they're too chicken to do it now.
    And I know several adult males who resent being circ'd...and several others' that are GLAD that they weren't cut.
  12. by   rn/writer
    It's time for everyone to take a deep breath and maybe a step or two back. This is an intense thread with lots of strong opinions, and that's fine. Good debate helps everyone sharpen their thinking. But the more a thread heats up, the more important it is for everyone to focus on issues and not on other posters.

    Please, be courteous in making your points. Remember the ignore feature if certain posters bring out the worst in you.

    Thanks.
  13. by   AirforceRN
    Ahhhh, deep breath. My apologies for my last comment. I stand by the sentiment but it was probably better off as an inside thought and not a public one.

    I've mentioned this before but...
    Yes, older circumcisions are going to be harder on the patient then those done at birth. Yes, if you ask a 20 year old who was just circ'd due to infection or phimosis if they would have prefered to have it done as a newborn, they would probably say yes.
    I don't think that is grounds to circ every male however. Just as I don't think every female newborn should have radical mastectomies "just in case."
    Personally, I think as time goes on, fewer and fewer boys will be getting circ'd as more and more people realize that its not necessary. With this trend, the aesthetic viewpoint of the male penis will inevitably change so fewer girls will find uncut men "gross" or "nasty"...this in turn will lead to fewer circs...etc...etc. Eventually even porn will have uncut men being featured. Just my thoughts.

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