The Circumcision Discussion - page 41

I know this can be a HUGE debate, and I'm not looking to start any arguments. I was just wondering as you are OB nurses. I'm expecting a boy in July and not sure if we should circ. or not. My... Read More

  1. by   Spidey's mom
    There are quite a few very good and very long threads about this issue in this forum.

    At the risk of repeating myself, I'll just say I was against it and the father of my first two boys was for it (we divorced but not over this) My husband now, also wanted it done on our son. So all three boys are circ'd. I asked my adult sons if they are happy about it and if I should have fought harder to keep them intact and they both quickly said NO! They both said they would be very mad at me if I had won the argument.

    It is normal during potty training for little boys to see their Dad's penis - Daddy shows them how to pee. And boys do check each other out in the locker room - just like girls check out other girls' breasts. When my almost 6 year old was 4, he and a friend went into the bathroom at the playground and were peeing (with dh nearby) and they looked at each other peeing and noticed that one had a larger penis than the other one and both mentioned it. (And the argument about looking like Daddy - boys don't look like Daddy until they are adults anyway . . .Daddy is bigger).

    As to your question . . . most docs use anesthesia but we have one here who refuses. And he doesn't always tell the parents that.

    You need to be proactive and tell the doc what you want. He is working for you.

    steph
  2. by   indigo
    To circ or not to circ? I am an OB nurse who assists with circs and it is SO totally barbaric-seeming. The babies scream and cry and they come out with a swollen, bloody penis. For what. I am also the mother of three uncircumcised sons and none of them have ever had a problem. I am so glad I didn't have them cut on when they were so brand new to the world. I feel so glad when new parents don't want to circ. It's about 50/50 where I work.
  3. by   ann945n
    I think this choice is completly up to the parents for various reason like religion and personal preference. Who are we to say what is right or wrong for a family??
    But for my personally opinion I would have it done to my sons. So what they cry and scream, babies cry and scream a lot. Its how they communicate, and of course they dont like. Kids also dont like shots for vaccinations or eatting their veggies yet we make them do it anyways.
  4. by   dawngloves
    Quote from ann945n
    . Kids also dont like shots for vaccinations or eatting their veggies yet we make them do it anyways.
    Because they need these things. There are very few men that need a circumcision.
  5. by   ann945n
    Quote from dawngloves
    Because they need these things. There are very few men that need a circumcision.
    Ahhh but some people feel vacinations are not needed.... its all a matter of personal choice is what i was getting at, lets not impose our views on patients
  6. by   Spidey's mom
    I'm an ob nurse too . . . most of the babies don't cry where I work. Still, I personally don't like it.

    steph
  7. by   dawngloves
    Quote from ann945n
    Ahhh but some people feel vacinations are not needed.... its all a matter of personal choice is what i was getting at, lets not impose our views on patients
    It's not my view. It's the AAP guidline that circumcisions are not needed.Vegetables are and I won't go OT on vaccines.
  8. by   ayla2004
    from a uk pov it isn't routinely done at all except if there is a medical need, or religous or cultual reason. as a student i admitted a 19year old for same day surgery for a circ on medical reasons, poor lad fainted pre op. i have an older brother who was circ as a child (not an infant) on medical grounds.
  9. by   ElvishDNP
    I am far from a tree-hugger, but circ is not necessary. My son is intact and so far at 2 1/2 yo has had zero problem. Neither has his 34-yo intact father. I have a lot of problems with routine circ, and here they are (in no particular order).

    1) People who would not dream of sending their little girls to have even the smallest cut made in their labia under local anesthesia in sterile conditions, rightly calling it child abuse, those same folks will routinely send their little boys off to have their genitalia cut. What is the difference? A baby is a baby, and all babies feel pain.

    2) The locker room argument is, I think, quickly fading. There is plenty of intact company for intact boys. And really, what message am I sending my son having him circumcised just to fit in? I wouldn't tattoo him just because everybody else does, and I won't have him circed for the same reason.

    3) The 'looking like Daddy' thing was not an issue for us, but I wonder if it's not daddies who feel funny looking different than their sons rather than sons feeling funny looking different than Daddy. The hangups tend to be ours, not our children's. Like someone else said, "Daddy had a surgery that you don't need" should be enough.

    4) Hygiene -- ok, either way you have to wash it, right? Is it really so difficult to retract a foreskin, wash & rinse under it, and put it back? My preschooler can do it (and does).

    5) The actual number of people needing to be circed as adults is pretty darn low. Most of those problems are related to improper care such as infections & adhesions. You get the occasional phimosis/paraphimosis but that's not enough to make me buy into circing.

    Medicaid doesn't pay for circ in our state anymore, I don't know about other states. But it amazes me how many people will still shell out some big bucks for a small piece of foreskin that does actually serve a purpose!
  10. by   lovemyjob
    Quote from Arwen_U
    I am far from a tree-hugger, but circ is not necessary. My son is intact and so far at 2 1/2 yo has had zero problem. Neither has his 34-yo intact father. I have a lot of problems with routine circ, and here they are (in no particular order).

    1) People who would not dream of sending their little girls to have even the smallest cut made in their labia under local anesthesia in sterile conditions, rightly calling it child abuse, those same folks will routinely send their little boys off to have their genitalia cut. What is the difference? A baby is a baby, and all babies feel pain.

    2) The locker room argument is, I think, quickly fading. There is plenty of intact company for intact boys. And really, what message am I sending my son having him circumcised just to fit in? I wouldn't tattoo him just because everybody else does, and I won't have him circed for the same reason.

    3) The 'looking like Daddy' thing was not an issue for us, but I wonder if it's not daddies who feel funny looking different than their sons rather than sons feeling funny looking different than Daddy. The hangups tend to be ours, not our children's. Like someone else said, "Daddy had a surgery that you don't need" should be enough.

    4) Hygiene -- ok, either way you have to wash it, right? Is it really so difficult to retract a foreskin, wash & rinse under it, and put it back? My preschooler can do it (and does).

    5) The actual number of people needing to be circed as adults is pretty darn low. Most of those problems are related to improper care such as infections & adhesions. You get the occasional phimosis/paraphimosis but that's not enough to make me buy into circing.

    Medicaid doesn't pay for circ in our state anymore, I don't know about other states. But it amazes me how many people will still shell out some big bucks for a small piece of foreskin that does actually serve a purpose!

    Amen.
  11. by   LoveMyBugs
    I have two boys who are intact, the big deciding factor for me was, my insurance would not cover it not even a portion of it. My insurance considered it cosmetic. I feel that the foreskin is there for a reason, not only that there are nerve endings in there take it away and take away some enjoyment later on in life.
    The only problems my sons have had is pulling the foreskin down initially, because it was somewhat painful at first to pull down and clean, but they got over it. It is definitely a personal choice, while my two sons are not, my nephew is.
    In most other countries cri is not as popular as it is in the US and even here it is becoming less routine.
  12. by   maryloufu
    I watched one circumcision in nursing school. He started screaming when the doc undressed him- so it was hard to determine a difference when the procedure began. He stopped screaming when he was bundled back up and placed in his little isolette. :zzzzz
    I am very glad I had all girls because I have never liked the idea of circumcisions- but I was going to let my husband decide after we discussed it because he has ahem- more experience with this particular issue.
  13. by   sahmof2
    I don't know what the doc gave my son or if anything, but I was told that my son slept through the whole thing. He also was asleep when he was brought back to me. He slept through getting dressed up for his pictures as soon as he got back and through the pictures. I had a c-section so I had to stay a few days in the hospital and we had a hard time waking him to get him to eat a few times. Even now as a 4 year old he still loves to sleep.

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