The Circumcision Discussion - page 30

I know this can be a HUGE debate, and I'm not looking to start any arguments. I was just wondering as you are OB nurses. I'm expecting a boy in July and not sure if we should circ. or not. My... Read More

  1. by   GardenDove
    Nowadays, you can say, running water+clean sheets = healthy enviornment for intact male. :hatparty: :smiletea:
  2. by   Atl_John
    Or a lint trap for intact males.

    I can only imagine what you are going to tell your wife/husband/bf/gf/etc about this particular conversation.
    Last edit by Atl_John on Mar 5, '07
  3. by   tvccrn
    Quote from Atl_John
    TVCCRN, while I applaud your effort, unfortunately your logic is faulty, you can not take A is B, therefore A sub 1 is B sub 1. The linkage is wrong, and the proof needed is far greater than just A is B, B is D therefore D is also A. While I understand that you are trying to show they are the same by some external force putting their will on another being, they are vastly different.

    With Circumcision it is a parent putting their will on a child who is completely and totally dependent on their care.

    With Abortion it is a legislative assembly putting their will on an adult who is not completely and totally dependent on their care and is able to make their own decisions and choices. An infant is not, thats why you have a parent.
    Ah, but to me then circumcision is the lesser as that is something that I choose with the best interest of my infant in mind. Whereas, the government telling me what I can and can't do with my body IS forcing me to do something.
  4. by   GardenDove
    fftopic: I think it's time to close this thread...
    Last edit by GardenDove on Mar 5, '07
  5. by   DanEMT
    Just wondering what all you women would think if the men jumped in on a woman's issue. I can hear the comments from the feminists now. What do your husbands think about this topic, do they get a say or is it the mothers decision only.
    I'm sure I am going to hear it but I can't believe no other guy has said it.
  6. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from DanEMT
    Just wondering what all you women would think if the men jumped in on a woman's issue. I can hear the comments from the feminists now. What do your husbands think about this topic, do they get a say or is it the mothers decision only.
    I'm sure I am going to hear it but I can't believe no other guy has said it.
    I said early in this thread that I didn't want it done to my sons . . . It was Dad's idea to circumcise. However, I was the one who had to sign the consent.

    I was divorced from the father of my oldest two boys. I had another son with my second husband. Both wanted circumcisions.

    Both my older adult boys are glad - they have both said they would be very mad at me if I had won the argument to NOT circ.

    This isn't just a man's issue by the way - women give birth to these children. We should have a say - however, I was overruled by "dad".

    steph
  7. by   tvccrn
    Quote from GardenDove
    fftopic: I think it's time to close this thread...

    No need, I'm done with trying to present another point of view.
  8. by   MS._Jen_RN
    Quote from GardenDove
    I also have to differ with you on the asthestic superiority of a circumcised penis. In my opinion it's appearance is more vulgar... It is an immodest, brazen, and naked appearing member, with nothing left to the imagination.
    Garden Dove, this cracked me up. I think, though, that it's true.
    ~Jen
  9. by   mitchsmom
    I'm in the preservation camp. My husband is done but my 3 boys are not & they are fine, just like most of the rest of the world that doesn't do it.

    I work in OB and all of our babies scream like they are being tortured when they are circed (I had my kids before I was a nurse, btw). This is even when the docs use EMLA &/or nerve blocks; maybe they aren't doing the blocks well enough but that's my experience.

    All our opinions aside, the fact is that most people are NOT very educated about circumcision. More folks should at least read up a little and make an educated decision about it. The history of it is pretty fascinating actually, whatever decision parents end up making!

    There is lots of info on the net of course, for both camps. One site supporting not doing it (with studies to back up their points) is http://cirp.org/

    Other sources of info include the American Academy of Pediatrics, etc. etc. The professional medical organizations understand that it's a cultural decision to be made individually, but none actually recommend the practice.
  10. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from mitchsmom
    I'm in the preservation camp. My husband is done but my 3 boys are not & they are fine, just like most of the rest of the world that doesn't do it.

    I work in OB and all of our babies scream like they are being tortured when they are circed (I had my kids before I was a nurse, btw). This is even when the docs use EMLA &/or nerve blocks; maybe they aren't doing the blocks well enough but that's my experience.

    All our opinions aside, the fact is that most people are NOT very educated about circumcision. More folks should at least read up a little and make an educated decision about it. The history of it is pretty fascinating actually, whatever decision parents end up making!

    There is lots of info on the net of course, for both camps. One site supporting not doing it (with studies to back up their points) is http://cirp.org/

    Other sources of info include the American Academy of Pediatrics, etc. etc. The professional medical organizations understand that it's a cultural decision to be made individually, but none actually recommend the practice.
    Hi - good post.

    I have to say that the only babies who cry are the ones who are circ'd by the doc who does NOT use lidocaine. I don't help him, as I've mentioned.

    All the other docs do a great job - and as I said, the babies don't cry.

    But I still wish I had not been forced to have it done to my 3 boys - but the truth is if Dad wants it, Dad wins. He is the male - they are male. I'm just a woman, what do I know? And MY 22 y.o. and 24 y.o. are GLAD they are circ'd.

    It is a strange world.

    steph
  11. by   TazziRN
    Quote from mitchsmom
    I work in OB and all of our babies scream like they are being tortured when they are circed (I had my kids before I was a nurse, btw). This is even when the docs use EMLA &/or nerve blocks; maybe they aren't doing the blocks well enough but that's my experience.
    And maybe it's just that the babies are laying there with their nether parts hanging out in the wind, with their legs strapped down straight. They are not swaddled and warm, which is what the little guys desire at that moment.
  12. by   RUcon08
    Quote from GregRN
    I work in an ICU and have spent a lot of time volunteering in a Level I trauma ER. ICU's and ER's are full of people who put off getting things checked for weeks and months, things that should have been taken care of long ago. I've seen some nasty, nasty stuff and have caught some aromas that make me beg for cabbage and mayo that's been sitting in a car for three days in 105 degree heat. Of all the stuff I've smelled and witnessed, only one time have I ever had to walk away and go sit down for a little bit. It was during school and my O.B. rotation at a high risk labor/delivery unit in Denver, watching a newborn be circumcised.

    I have a serious aversion to needles anyway, always have. Not good for someone who's going into anesthesia. Anyway, they gave the little guy a pacifier with some sweetener on it to keep him occupied and he was pretty content. The doc used some numbing medicine just under the skin and injected it all around. Next came this cup-like device that fit just over the top of the little guy's peanut. He put it on and turned it counter-clockwise a bit, getting it as deep in the foreskin as he needed to. Next were the sterile scissors, making an initial cut vertically, then cutting around the cup-like device. I kept looking at the kid...looking down at me...looking back at the kid...looking back down at me. Enough. I walked away and found a chair, right next to a smiling classmate who was swaddling a newborn in her arms.

    She says, "Are you okay??!!!"

    Me: "No."

    "What's wrong?? You look horrible!"

    Me: "I really don't feel good. Not at all. Does my face look flushed?"

    "Well, it doesn't look flushed really. It actually looks really pale."

    Me: "Yes, pale. That's the one I meant. Pale."

    I was out of it. Completely. Things were spinning, tunnel vision, light headed. I managed to do just fine after sitting down for a while and drinking some ice water. I've never come so close to losing it like that ever since.
    Wow, very interesting to know that this is a normal reaction. lol, the same exact description of how you felt happened to me as I observed a corrective penile surgery for hypospadia.
  13. by   Atl_John
    Its funny, I watched two circ's the other day in the nursery, infants just laid there, no screaming (EMLA put on 1hr prior to procedure). I actually found it pretty neat, and quick, no fuss, nothing wrong, even afterwards, give the little guy a pacifier with some sugar on it and hes a happy camper.

    However, I get a little *funny feeling* anytime I have to put in a foley without the use of an anesthetic gel used pre insertion. We get on our soap boxes about cutting off some foreskin yet we see nothing wrong with putting a rubber hose up someones urethra without the use of anesthetic gel...hrmmmmm???

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