The Circumcision Discussion - Page 129

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  1. Aug 5, '09 by
    Quote from brillohead
    Come to think of it, there sure seems to be one heck of a lot of HIV in Africa where circumcision is not routinely practiced....
    And it is just as prevalent in areas that DO circumcise and those that don't --something does not compute logically.
  2. Aug 5, '09 by
    Quote from consult2
    And it is just as prevalent in areas that DO circumcise and those that don't --something does not compute logically.
    But...but...but... circumcision is supposed to help prevent HIV infection... how can that be???? :icon_roll
  3. Aug 5, '09 by
    ""Well, I guess the CDC, World Health Organization, Unicef, and other, internationally recognized organizations that are dedicated to the PREVENTION of disease, are all wrong."

    Well the circumcision and HIV rates come from those organizations whose opinions you cite, so this begs the question: Why do their own stats contradict their opinions?

    Perhaps because "medical science" is mostly a consensus of OPINIONS (sometimes based on facts and evidence, and sometimes contradicted by it) and "science" is a consensus of the evidence?
  4. Aug 5, '09 by
    Quote from brillohead
    But...but...but... circumcision is supposed to help prevent HIV infection... how can that be???? :icon_roll
    Exactly! You got me.
  5. Aug 5, '09 by
    Quote from D.R.A.
    I say phooey on medical reasons....you are already probably pretty educated on those. You will have 6 of one opinion, half a dozen for the other side. At the end of the day, follow your heart:heartbeat Best of luck with your decision:wink2:
    The OPINIONS may be equal, but the facts and evidence are not--try following your brains. And the end of the day, WHY do something that has no proven benefit and proven harm? Which direction does one's brains lead?
  6. Aug 5, '09 by
    Quote from consult2
    Being a bit lazy are we?
    yup, and i was getting ready for my massage appointment.....then to bed to work 3rd shift.....lol.....thanks again
  7. Aug 5, '09 by
    Since this is an anonymous international forum, I am wondering how many practitioners on this forum would be okay with removing what they might consider "nonessential" tissue from a female infant, with lidocaine/xylocaine of course?
  8. Aug 5, '09 by
    Quote from BabyLady
    You are comparing apples to oranges.

    I cannot control what parent hears or how they interpret the information. All I can do is present it to them, assess their level of understanding, and ask if they have any questions. Once they leave the hospital, it's up to them, not me, to raise and parent that child.

    I don't care what they teach or the circ rate or HPV, STD rate or anything else in the UK, etc....I don't live in those countries...I live and practice healthcare in the USA. I don't live in a geographical area with a transient population.

    Therefore, my job as a nurse is to practice objectively and non-judgmentally on FACT-BASED PRACTICE. The literature at our hospital that we provide to parents supports what I teach.

    An circumcision...is done with a lidocaine, does not cut into muscle, does not cut through a protective membrane that would expose major organs to possible infection and has minimal blood loss. It is considered a minor surgical procedure.

    An appendectomy, is considered major surgery. It is done through general anesthesia and all of the risks of intubation, cutting through major muscles of the abdominal cavity, thus, placing the body at risk for adhesions, major infection, stitches, etc.

    I cannot believe any intelligent healthcare worker could think the two are even remotely related.
    Well, in some ways you're right. Appendectomy is ONLY done when it's needed. When there is a medical indication. Very much unlike a circ. BUt if you think that circ's don't place infants at risk for infection, stitches, adhesions, you are sorely mistaken Not to mention that we don't pack an appendectomy site with poop (as a open, healing circ is repeatedly exposed to urine and feces, yum!)

    I do have very strong opinions on the matter. I, think the facts speak for themselves. I encourage parents to be to do research. Nine times out of ten, they go the non circ route. So many parents just think it's SOP and don't give it any more thought. THAT is the saddest part.

    Our neonatologists don't recommend them.

    And in my area, circ'ed boys are the odd ones out so that argument becomes completely irrelevant. The rates will get lower and lower. In the words of one of our hospital's pediatricians "I can't believe we're still doing these!"
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    Aug 5, '09 by
    Quote from 2curlygirls
    And in my area, circ'ed boys are the odd ones out so that argument becomes completely irrelevant. The rates will get lower and lower. In the words of one of our hospital's pediatricians "I can't believe we're still doing these!"
    Can I come work where you are??
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  10. Aug 5, '09 by
    Quote from consult2
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    In SCIENCE, all it takes is ONE valid exception to make a theory invalid--you got them in Scand. and Japan--and the other rates for various countries are valid ENOUGH to complete the picture.
    You need to go back and take a class in experimental research because there is no truth to this statement whatsoever.