The Circumcision Discussion - page 129
I know this can be a HUGE debate, and I'm not looking to start any arguments. I was just wondering as you are OB nurses. I'm expecting a boy in July and not sure if we should circ. or not. My husband says yes, it's better... Read More
- 0""Well, I guess the CDC, World Health Organization, Unicef, and other, internationally recognized organizations that are dedicated to the PREVENTION of disease, are all wrong."
Well the circumcision and HIV rates come from those organizations whose opinions you cite, so this begs the question: Why do their own stats contradict their opinions?
Perhaps because "medical science" is mostly a consensus of OPINIONS (sometimes based on facts and evidence, and sometimes contradicted by it) and "science" is a consensus of the evidence?
- 0Quote from D.R.A.The OPINIONS may be equal, but the facts and evidence are not--try following your brains. And the end of the day, WHY do something that has no proven benefit and proven harm? Which direction does one's brains lead?I say phooey on medical reasons....you are already probably pretty educated on those. You will have 6 of one opinion, half a dozen for the other side. At the end of the day, follow your heart:heartbeat Best of luck with your decision:wink2:
- 0Aug 5, '09 by 2curlygirlsQuote from BabyLadyWell, in some ways you're right. Appendectomy is ONLY done when it's needed. When there is a medical indication. Very much unlike a circ. BUt if you think that circ's don't place infants at risk for infection, stitches, adhesions, you are sorely mistaken Not to mention that we don't pack an appendectomy site with poop (as a open, healing circ is repeatedly exposed to urine and feces, yum!)You are comparing apples to oranges.
I cannot control what parent hears or how they interpret the information. All I can do is present it to them, assess their level of understanding, and ask if they have any questions. Once they leave the hospital, it's up to them, not me, to raise and parent that child.
I don't care what they teach or the circ rate or HPV, STD rate or anything else in the UK, etc....I don't live in those countries...I live and practice healthcare in the USA. I don't live in a geographical area with a transient population.
Therefore, my job as a nurse is to practice objectively and non-judgmentally on FACT-BASED PRACTICE. The literature at our hospital that we provide to parents supports what I teach.
An circumcision...is done with a lidocaine, does not cut into muscle, does not cut through a protective membrane that would expose major organs to possible infection and has minimal blood loss. It is considered a minor surgical procedure.
An appendectomy, is considered major surgery. It is done through general anesthesia and all of the risks of intubation, cutting through major muscles of the abdominal cavity, thus, placing the body at risk for adhesions, major infection, stitches, etc.
I cannot believe any intelligent healthcare worker could think the two are even remotely related.
I do have very strong opinions on the matter. I, think the facts speak for themselves. I encourage parents to be to do research. Nine times out of ten, they go the non circ route. So many parents just think it's SOP and don't give it any more thought. THAT is the saddest part.
Our neonatologists don't recommend them.
And in my area, circ'ed boys are the odd ones out so that argument becomes completely irrelevant. The rates will get lower and lower. In the words of one of our hospital's pediatricians "I can't believe we're still doing these!"
- 1Aug 5, '09 by Elvish GuideQuote from 2curlygirlsCan I come work where you are??And in my area, circ'ed boys are the odd ones out so that argument becomes completely irrelevant. The rates will get lower and lower. In the words of one of our hospital's pediatricians "I can't believe we're still doing these!"
- 0Aug 5, '09 by BabyLadyQuote from consult2You need to go back and take a class in experimental research because there is no truth to this statement whatsoever..
In SCIENCE, all it takes is ONE valid exception to make a theory invalid--you got them in Scand. and Japan--and the other rates for various countries are valid ENOUGH to complete the picture.