The Circumcision Discussion - page 124

by jmspeach

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I know this can be a HUGE debate, and I'm not looking to start any arguments. I was just wondering as you are OB nurses. I'm expecting a boy in July and not sure if we should circ. or not. My husband says yes, it's better... Read More


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    No, not really.
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    I think it is great to offer perspective- not everyone thinks past society norms.
    Me included-- maybe there is a reason why they weren't born circed.

    In my opinion, I have learned from this experience that as patients, just because we can opt for a procedure, should we? Every procedure for every person may not be the best answer--education and informed choice is.
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    Functions? THESE..

    http://www.norm-socal.org/lost.htm

    http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/lost.html

    *+1. The pleasures of the multifunctional foreskin, which comprises up to 50% (sometimes more) of the mobile skin system of the penis. If unfolded and spread out flat, the average adult foreskin would measure about 15 square inches (the size of a 3 x 5 inch index card). This highly specialized tissue normally covers the glans like an eyelid covers the eye, protecting it from abrasion, drying, callusing (keratinization), and contaminants of all kinds. The effects on male and female sexuality resulting from the loss of such a large amount of the healthy working part of a normal penis, its pleasure-producing nerves, and the subsequent keratinization of the glans have never been studied.

    *2. The pleasures of the frenar band of soft ridges - the primary erogenous zone of the male human body. The loss of this recently discovered belt of densely innervated, sexually responsive, and pleasure-producing tissue reduces the full range and intensity of sexual response.

    *+3. The pleasures of the foreskin's synergistic " gliding action" - the hallmark mechanical feature of the intact human penis. This non-abrasive gliding of the penis in and out of itself (evagination-invagination) when masturbating or while within another body, facilitates smooth, comfortable, pleasurable intercourse for both partners. Without this remarkable gliding action, sex as nature intended it is impossible, and the corona of the surgically altered penis malfunctions as a one-way valve, scraping natural vaginal lubricants out into the drying air and making artificial lubricants essential for intercourse to be gentle, comfortable, and pleasurable. Circumcision makes normal sex impossible.

    *4. The pleasures of thousands of coiled fine-touch mechanoreceptors called Meissner's corpuscles, the single most important sensory component of the foreskin, encapsulated Vater-Pacinian cells, Merkel's cells, nociceptors, and branches of the dorsal nerve and the perineal nerve. Altogether, pathologists estimate that between 10,000 and 20,000 specialized pleasure-producing nerve endings of many types, which can feel slight motion and stretch, subtle changes in temperature, and nuance in texture, are lost.

    *5. The pleasures of frenulum, the highly erogenous V-shaped web-like tethering structure on the underside of the glans that is frequently amputated along with the foreskin, or severed, either of which destroys its important mechanical function and its capacity for creating pleasure.

    6. The pleasures and value of approximately half of the temperature-responsive smooth muscle sheath called the dartos fascia.

    7. The protection of the immunological defense system of the soft mucosa. This produces both plasma cells that secrete immunoglobulin antibodies and antibacterial and antiviral proteins such as the pathogen-killing enzyme lysozyme.

    8. The protection of Lymphatic vessels, the loss of which reduces the lymph flow within that part of the body's immune system.

    9. The value of Estrogen receptors - the purpose of which is not yet fully understood and needs further study.

    *10. The value of the apocrine glands of the inner foreskin, which secrete pheromones - nature's powerful, silent, invisible behavioral signals to potential sexual partners. The effect of their absence on human sexuality could be profound, but has never been studied.

    *11. The protection of the specialized epithelial Langerhans cells, a first line component of the body's immune system in a whole penis.

    +12. The value of the pink to red to dark purple natural coloration of the glans. The connective tissue which protectively fuses the foreskin and glans together while the penis develops, is ripped apart during circumcision, wounding the glans and the foreskin remnant, leaving them raw and subject to infection, scarring, pitting, shrinkage, and eventual discoloration.

    *+13. The pleasures of the full potential of the penis length and penis circumference because its double-layered wrapping of loose and usually overhanging foreskin is now missing, making the circumcised penis truncated and thinner than a full-sized intact penis.

    *14. The value of several feet of blood vessels, including the frenular artery and branches of the dorsal artery. The loss of this rich vascularity interrupts normal blood flow to the shaft and glans of the penis, damaging the natural function of the penis and altering its development.
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    Quote from VizslaMom
    Oh, good grief... a little dramatic aren't we?
    No, simply stating the facts.
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    Quote from VizslaMom
    Wow. I've never seen such a one-sided thread on a chat board in all my time reading boards.. years.

    You guys really know how to 'try' to beat up a person, eh? I hope you feel bigger and better than everyone else... being that you try to belittle everyone who disagrees with you.

    Toodles!
    One-sided--YES, because that is where the facts and logic lie.
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    Quote from consult2
    One-sided--YES, because that is where the facts and logic lie.
    Your post is a contradiction of terms!
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    Quote from lamazeteacher
    Your post is a contradiction of terms!
    how so?
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    While I didnt read all of the replies on this post I just wanted to throw in my two cents on how circumcision might benefit in the long run. My boyfriend is currently attempting to decide if at the age of 30 if he wants to have the circumcision done. Something which for one reason or another aka no money and no insurance he has put off and simply dealt with it. He has two problems, a) the foreskin does not stretch enough retracted down the penis if erect and b) if it does it causes pain and the penis it self is so sensitive that it hurts to be touched making sex extremely painful and basically impossible for him with the skin retracted. We practice safe sex and thankfully the use of a condom keeps the foreskin in place for the most part and it is pretty much pain free but what about in a few years when we want children and decide to no longer use condoms? When he went to the doctors when he was 18,19 they told him that with time and use that the skin would loosen and the over sensitively would lessen, he tried a betamethasone cream and that didnt help either. I feel terrible for my dear boyfriend because im sure that his lack of an abilty to really enjoy sex when he was younger was part of the reason he self medicated with alcohol for so many years. Ive done alot of reading and ive come across a procedure known as a Preputioplasty which seems safer and more geared towards his problem. Does anyone have any thoughts on that as a alternative to latter in life Circumcision?
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    I have to admit I had to look up Preputioplasty...had never heard of it before. It seems like a relatively simple operation and there appears to be quite a bit of literature (peer reviewed) available if you are willing to look for it and pay. I wonder if it didn't work would your boyfriend be able to progress to full circumcision or is it kind of a one shot deal? Anyway, I hope for his sake (and yours) he can get it sorted out.
    I'm sure he thinks it would have been easier to be circumcised as a child to avoid this problem and he is undoubtably correct but I don't think the prevalence of phimosis or paraphimosis is high enough to warrant circumcision by default.
    Last edit by AirforceRN on Jul 25, '09
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    Quote from Littlemisslizzie
    While I didnt read all of the replies on this post I just wanted to throw in my two cents on how circumcision might benefit in the long run. My boyfriend is currently attempting to decide if at the age of 30 if he wants to have the circumcision done. Something which for one reason or another aka no money and no insurance he has put off and simply dealt with it. He has two problems, a) the foreskin does not stretch enough retracted down the penis if erect and b) if it does it causes pain and the penis it self is so sensitive that it hurts to be touched making sex extremely painful and basically impossible for him with the skin retracted. We practice safe sex and thankfully the use of a condom keeps the foreskin in place for the most part and it is pretty much pain free but what about in a few years when we want children and decide to no longer use condoms? When he went to the doctors when he was 18,19 they told him that with time and use that the skin would loosen and the over sensitively would lessen, he tried a betamethasone cream and that didnt help either. I feel terrible for my dear boyfriend because im sure that his lack of an abilty to really enjoy sex when he was younger was part of the reason he self medicated with alcohol for so many years. Ive done alot of reading and ive come across a procedure known as a Preputioplasty which seems safer and more geared towards his problem. Does anyone have any thoughts on that as a alternative to latter in life Circumcision?
    and i would have to wonder if some scarring from inappropriate care as a child isnt the problem....


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