The Circumcision Discussion

Joe12 · Mar 27, 2009, 09:56 PM

Re: The Circumcision Discussion

Originally Posted by Smurfette752

First of all, the men "waiting in line in Africa" to get circ'ed so they won't "get HIV" are ignorant if they think that getting circ'ed is going to prevent HIV. That is a bunch of horsesh*t!!!

I have read several stories about this program and they frequently print quotes from local men who describe circumcision as an invisible condom or otherwise imply complete protection. It's hard to know how wide spread this problem is but I am worried it is proabably quite large. I have my doubts as to whether it will be recognized though or just swept under the rug. It will be a really long time before we know for sure.

lamazeteacher · Mar 27, 2009, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by vashtee

Actually, according to bible stories, God set out to kill Moses for not circumcising his son. Moses' wife Sephora saved Moses by taking up a sharp stone and immediately cutting off her son's foreskin. The story appears somewhere in Exodus, chapter 4.

I like my story better - it's less violent.

I'm so glad Moiles haven't repeated the sharp stone technique. Lighten up, folks.

*~Mi Vida Loca~* · Mar 28, 2009, 02:23 AM

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All 3 of my sons were circ'ed and I had problems with all 3 of the circs, if I knew than what I know now I would not have had it done, I feel a lot of guilt having it done.

I didn't research I just did what everyone told me I should do.

My husband is not cut, some ex's weren't either. My husband is not embarrassed at all about it and has never had any problems regarding it, he has been around guys many times and never had any issues but even if people did tease him he is such a confident person it wouldn't have bothered him. I wish I could go back and not have done it.

consult2 · Mar 28, 2009, 08:08 AM

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"I wonder how much evidence you will need to have in order to change your position?"

First off, I specifically require SCIENTIFICALLY CREDIBLE evidence.. then I require that there be enough benefits to override the risks and harm, and that there be no other less invasive procedure available.

consult2 · Mar 28, 2009, 02:13 PM

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"I'm not sure what exactly you were intending to have me read (can you narrow down your links?), but I can tell you that the book of Exodus is believed to have been completed around 450 BCE, or about 400 years before you claim the priests invented circumcision"

Sorry for the typo, I meant to post 550BCE. My bad! That is when the circumcision "covenant" was invented by the priests--research has shown that circumcision was NOT in the original Jewish texts on the covenant--but a much later insertion..

The specific links are:

http://home.comcast.net/~consult2/god.html

http://home.comcast.net/~consult2/enigma.html

Smurfette752 · Mar 28, 2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe12

I have read several stories about this program and they frequently print quotes from local men who describe circumcision as an invisible condom or otherwise imply complete protection. It's hard to know how wide spread this problem is but I am worried it is proabably quite large. I have my doubts as to whether it will be recognized though or just swept under the rug. It will be a really long time before we know for sure.

I know...what I was saying is that it is a bunch of ********* if that they think that....like they are ignorant for thinking such a thing. Sorry, I guess I should have clarified!

brillohead · Mar 29, 2009, 01:55 PM

Re: The Circumcision Discussion

Originally Posted by vashtee

Also, I wonder if the vehemently anti-circ people are the same group who tend to be anti-vaccine?

I'm anti-circ as a general rule, but I have always been pro-vaccine (except when specifically contraindicated, as in allergies to components of the vaccine).

My son has always had his vaccinations on time, and I even had myself vaccinated against chicken pox three years ago, when it was going through my son's school (I'm evidently one of the few folks born in the 1960s who wasn't invited to a chicken pox party as a child).

So may you wonder no more.....

GooeyRN · Mar 29, 2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by brillohead

I'm anti-circ as a general rule, but I have always been pro-vaccine (except when specifically contraindicated, as in allergies to components of the vaccine).

My son has always had his vaccinations on time, and I even had myself vaccinated against chicken pox three years ago, when it was going through my son's school (I'm evidently one of the few folks born in the 1960s who wasn't invited to a chicken pox party as a child).

So may you wonder no more.....

I am not fully against vaccines, either, and am very against circ. We selectively/delay vaccines.

lamazeteacher · Mar 29, 2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by brillohead

I'm anti-circ as a general rule, but I have always been pro-vaccine (except when specifically contraindicated, as in allergies to components of the vaccine).

My son has always had his vaccinations on time, and I even had myself vaccinated against chicken pox three years ago, when it was going through my son's school (I'm evidently one of the few folks born in the 1960s who wasn't invited to a chicken pox party as a child).

So may you wonder no more.....

Some children who attended the parties didn't get chicken pox, due to resistence they had against it at the time. My (circumcised) son, at 6 years of age - not the age of his circ-, covered his newly arrived chicken pox spots with bandaids, as he wanted very much to go to the beach with friends, to which we'd all looked forward with great anticipation.

The parent (a dentist) in whose car he rode there, was furious to find that there were new uncovered spots, (David had no more bandaids) after the 1 and 1/2 hour ride in his car with his son next to my son. (I was at an out of town nurses' conference for a few days before they came to that location for the weekend.) The dentist's son didn't get chicken pox from my son, yet his dad was pretty ticked off when I didn't immediately leave with him for home, upon seeing what transpired. He kept saying disgustedly, "And you're a nurse!" I had been his childbirth educator.

My son had no fever then (and no adult at home noticed any temp elevation or spots before the trip), and I intended to keep him in the room we had at the resort, and have room service, so it didn't seem necessary for my husband, daughter (who'd already had chicken pox twice - really!) me and son to turn around after spending 2 hours on a more crowded freeway to get there, and $200. deposit). It was very embaressing, and obviously I was the one to stay in the room with him all the time the others
cavorted at the beach.....!

Sorry, sorry to have gone off topic for the detour initiated above. I just had to share the story and fact about chicken pox. The dentist's son eventually got the new vaccine (he and my son are 36 now), and I sure hope it was effective.

**rn/writer** · Mar 29, 2009, 03:37 PM

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It would have been pointless for you to go home after the "damage" had already been done. I'm thinking the doc wanted you to leave so you would be punished.

My oldest daughter was exposed on the last day of school (3rd grade, I think) when a mom sent her daughter because she would have been so disappointed to miss all the parties. My five kids took turns, each coming down with the pox at the end of the previous kid's contagious period. As they got it one at a time, we spent an entire summer pretty much isolated. ET was playing at the drive-in theater and we went every other week through August. The kids have some good memories of things we did to keep them entertained (pre-computer and video days) while apart from other kids. Beach trips. Picnics. Craft projects. I was so glad when the last one was over it!

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