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No. 20
from BETSRN
Old Feb 25, 2005, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by SmilingBluEyes
the foley's only remain until a patient can ambulate and take PO fluids.

usually this is less than 2-3 hours post-delivery, but if an epidural is particularly dense, it may be 4 or more hours. It depends on patient and the anesthesiologist's epidural. Some are more dense than others.
We often turn our epidurals off during pushing and most patients can get up and walk to the BR in the hour or so after birth. If not, we just wait. If the bladder is distended, we cath, if not, we wait.

As far as taking PO fluids.....we feed them a meal during that hour recovery period. They are usually starving!!
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No. 21
from BETSRN
Old Feb 25, 2005, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by SmilingBluEyes
Well our epidural rates are through the roof, and therefore foleys are warranted and used often. I guess it's a difference of frequency and timing. If our epidural rates were lower and they were done later in labor, I would not place a foley either.
When you said "if they were done LATER in labor", it lead me to believe that maybe your epidurals are put in in very early labor. That's why I responded as I did.
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No. 22
from BETSRN
Old Feb 25, 2005, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by SmilingBluEyes
Sigh, where did I say we do epidurals on NON-active labor patients? Labor can be quite protracted, as you know, especially in inductions and primip cases.

So sue me or shoot me; I can't see straight-cathing people over and over after hours of labor when a foley will do the trick with less chance of infection and trauma of repeated instrumentation of the urethra.

Differences exist in many places; let's just leave it at that--- In a perfect world we would all have it like where you are, no one getting epidurals til later in labor and rarely getting them at all at that! Even better, they would all give birth drug-free and interventions (like caths) would be virtually non-existant.

Sadly, I live a long way from "Perfect". So, yes, It varies, and where we work (which apparently differs from where you are) epidurals are very common (despite childbirth and lamaze classes), tending to run over hours, requiring bladder hygiene, simple as that.

That is the beauty of these threads; we get to learn from others what practices are common and what are not and compare notes. Does not make others "wrong" necessarily, but doing it differently, with the hopefully same good outcomes. Have good day now.
None of us lives or works in perfect! LOL! Why are you getting defensive? I was just responding to the post.
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No. 23
Old Feb 25, 2005, 05:55 PM
Updated Feb 25, 2005 at 06:07 PM by SmilingBluEyes

I am not getting defensive. (rofl or I am in denial and am).....

I guess I went there cause you said "foley's in epidurals are never warranted". That is not true in all cases universally. That they are not recommended in various settings, I see right here, but that does not mean they are "not warranted" in others. The literature I have read recommended this over repeated straight cathing due to infection control concerns and increased instrumentation/damage due to numerous caths.

I imagine there is literature stating straight caths are preferable. I just have not gotten my hands on it as of yet and this practice where I work serves us well.

It's like Steph said, for example, in some places, pushing IV Phenergan is ok and practiced-----whereas some of the current literature states this is a dangerous practice and some hospitals have discontinued it based on these studies...... It's apparently regional.
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No. 24
from fergus51
Old Feb 25, 2005, 06:07 PM

What's phenergan?

One thing I've learned moving from hospital to hospital is that everyone does things differently and almost universally are convinced that their way is the right way. I am the reed bending with the wind....ohm.....ohm.....
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No. 25
Old Feb 25, 2005, 06:09 PM

Phenergan....a drug used here for nausea and in some cases, as an adjunct for pain control. I dont like it much, it snows people usually (think super-benedryl) and it is VERY painful to inject, whether IV or IM due to it's extremely LOW pH. I much prefer Zofran or Anzemet for nausea and we don't use it for pain control at all where I work.
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No. 26
from fergus51
Old Feb 25, 2005, 06:24 PM

I've never seen it. Course, I know some people thought I was crazy when I said we had used nitrous in labor!
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No. 27
from BETSRN
Old Feb 25, 2005, 07:48 PM

[quote=SmilingBluEyes]I am not getting defensive. (rofl or I am in denial and am).....

I guess I went there cause you said "foley's in epidurals are never warranted". >>
Where did I or anyone say that foleys are NEVER warranted?
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No. 28
Old Feb 25, 2005, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by fergus51
What's phenergan?

One thing I've learned moving from hospital to hospital is that everyone does things differently and almost universally are convinced that their way is the right way. I am the reed bending with the wind....ohm.....ohm.....
That is so true Fergus . . . one of our nurses recently left and moved to the big city and is working in a large ER. I saw her today and she told me that they do so many thing different there. As an example, the triage nurse of course triages the pts for order in which to be seen. Then each nurse has four beds. They wait until the doctor is actually assessing the patient before taking vitals or a history. At our ER we take vitals, take a history, I do an assessment and then I call the doc. Unless it is an emergency - then I call him but we still start vitals, draw blood, start an EKG, etc. It is just funny how a nurse will wait to do vitals and assessment until the doc arrives.

I'll wager to bet we would be amazed at the differences in practice.


steph
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No. 29
Old Feb 25, 2005, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by stevielynn
That is so true Fergus . . . one of our nurses recently left and moved to the big city and is working in a large ER. I saw her today and she told me that they do so many thing different there. As an example, the triage nurse of course triages the pts for order in which to be seen. Then each nurse has four beds. They wait until the doctor is actually assessing the patient before taking vitals or a history. At our ER we take vitals, take a history, I do an assessment and then I call the doc. Unless it is an emergency - then I call him but we still start vitals, draw blood, start an EKG, etc. It is just funny how a nurse will wait to do vitals and assessment until the doc arrives.

I'll wager to bet we would be amazed at the differences in practice.


steph
I already AM amazed.
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