Master's entry programs vs. Bachelor's Programs - page 4

Hello everyone! My name is Laura, and I just registered here after reading these messageboards for a few weeks. I am trying to make a decision about where to go to nursing school. I was just... Read More

  1. by   BETSRN
    Quote from energizerbunny05
    patearanagua , everyone here says condescending things but when called on it they deny it and they actually do talk down to people from their high horse. A good example is the above quote and quotes from smilingeyes and others not to bring her up. do not listen to anyone here experience or not follow your heart u definetly donot want to go through life following other peoples intuition or choices. the best thing about us as a human race is that we possess individuality. Follow your heart donot let anyone bring u down your only concern should be providing excellent and safe care to your soon to be patients everyone elses opinions are part of the smaller picture or of little importance. Good luck and congrats on your upcoming graduation!!!!!!!!!!!!
    As has been said before NO ONE is bringing anyone down. There is a big dose of reality that needs to be digested BEFORE one embarks on a career path, ESPECIALLY in health care. That's all anyone is saying. Those of us in OB have all seen new midwives. Until they get some experience (same as docs or new nurses), they are on pretty shakey ground. In healthcare, one cannot be too careful. Taking care of human lives (and we are talking about two in OB) is a whole lot different than (for instance) a new architect who can throw away his written plans if he doesn't like them and start over. What's done is done. In healthcare, there is LITTLE room for error. That is NOT a comforting thought.

    That's all anyone is saying. Those of us in nursing have all seen the know-it-all, cavalier nurse, doc, midwife. It is NOT a pretty picture. Too much can go wrong. Humility is developed through experience. Too much confidence at first is NOT a good thing!
  2. by   BETSRN
    Quote from energizerbunny05
    patearanagua , everyone here says condescending things but when called on it they deny it and they actually do talk down to people from their high horse. A good example is the above quote and quotes from smilingeyes and others not to bring her up. do not listen to anyone here experience or not follow your heart u definetly donot want to go through life following other peoples intuition or choices. the best thing about us as a human race is that we possess individuality. Follow your heart donot let anyone bring u down your only concern should be providing excellent and safe care to your soon to be patients everyone elses opinions are part of the smaller picture or of little importance. Good luck and congrats on your upcoming graduation!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Energizer, you are a student and have hardly had time to get the lay of the land. Please do NOT tell us seasoned nurses who we are, what we are doing, etc. It is us who help you guys when you enter the workforce. We are here to help you and to ease the transition. Please give it a rest.
    Last edit by BETSRN on Feb 26, '05
  3. by   fergus51
    No one has to listen, but it's seems silly to criticize people for offering opinions when they were ASKED FOR by the OP.
  4. by   energizerbunny05
    Quote from BETSRN
    Energizer, you are a student and ahve hardly had time to get the lay of the land. Please do NOT tell us seasoned nurses who we are, what we are doing, etc. It is us who help you guys when you enter the workforce. We are here to help you and to ease the transition. Please give it a rest.
    this is the exact problem that i see everyone here feels that because they are"experienced" no one has a valid point because god forbid we can have any good thoughts or ideas only u guys know best which i think is incorrect. And yes iam just a "student" but i am allowed no "we" are all allowed opinions of our own i repeat opinions!!! Your opinions are not any better than mine or people that decide to make their life decisions good for u that u r experienced Now ill give it a rest!!!!!!!!!
    jesus my god i feel sorry for these direct entry nurses they will be eaten alive by the "seasoned nurses" just because of their choices. You should all unite not divide eachother that is why the nursing profession is where it is. Whoa!!!
  5. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I am requesting this thread be shut down. The OP is no longer participating, her questions answered. It's degraded to insults and is now pointless.

    I wish everyone the best in their endeavors, whatever those may be. No one here begrudges anyone's career path, really. I am sorry it's come down to this.

    To the OP, I hope you find your path and that good people help you along your way. I wish you much happiness and success.
  6. by   BETSRN
    Quote from energizerbunny05
    this is the exact problem that i see everyone here feels that because they are"experienced" no one has a valid point because god forbid we can have any good thoughts or ideas only u guys know best which i think is incorrect. And yes iam just a "student" but i am allowed no "we" are all allowed opinions of our own i repeat opinions!!! Your opinions are not any better than mine or people that decide to make their life decisions good for u that u r experienced whoopeee DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now ill give it a rest!!!!!!!!!
    jesus my god i feel sorry for these direct entry nurses they will be eaten alive by the "seasoned nurses" just because of their choices. You should all unite not divide eachother that is why the nursing profession is where it is. Whoa!!!
    If you are this irate as a student, I shudder to think how difficult this will get for you when you are a new grad. Opinions are just that: opinions. However, solid, hands on experience will change your vision of things and your opinions will most likely be different as well.

    If you just stop ranting long enough to take a step back, you will see that no one is trying to demean you. Those of us with experience are only offering our own opinions. Listening to each other is how we all learn. The nurses on my unit with over 35 years of experience STILL colaborate with the others who have less experience........because all of our observations are valid and have worth, not to mention that someone with less experience MIGHT see things in a different (and beneficial) light.

    Flying off the handle as you are doing here could cause you to make some SERIOUS mistakes as a registered nurse. There is really very little room for error in nursing. Am I trying to scare you? You bet I am! I want you to be able to KEEP your license intact. Calm down, please, take a step back and also a big deep breath. Allow yourself the time to learn and digest. We have ALL walked in your shoes (as we were all students at one time) but you have NEVER walked in our shoes as a licensed nurse as yet. You are in for a rude awakening if you think no one is going to be telling you things or critiquing your practice when you are precepted as a new grad and as you continue on in your own practice after your orientation is complete.

    If you are always going to think everyone is coming down on you, you're going to have a very difficult time as a new grad being precepted. Wait until the docs get on your back. That, in and of itself, is an ongoing occupational hazzard.

    I don't know where you are in the student process, but please take some advice from some of us who have already been where you are. We did NOT get to be where we are by presenting the attitude that you have in the quotation above.

    If you come across like that in an interview, NO ONE will want to take the chance hiring you!

    Just my opinions.
  7. by   BETSRN
    Quote from energizerbunny05
    a quick question what r your thoughts on residents who r allowed to deliver babies during their practice years dont they learn by the same method a newly graduated midwives would by observing and going through procedures supervised? im just curious. i am sure that these new midwives are not just thrown into deliveries i would hope they would be guided at first or supervised. just food for thought
    Medicine and nursing are two different things: as are the midwifery model of birth vs. the medical model. Certainly docs are precepted, but they are precepted as docs (NOT midwives) and they have had considerably MORE training before they begin than the non-nurse college graduate who goes to a fast-track CNM program (like the ones we have been talking about here in this thread).

    The guiding all get as students is NOT the same as flying on your own. That's the point we have been making all along.
  8. by   energizerbunny05
    Quote from BETSRN
    If you are this irate as a student, I shudder to think how difficult this will get for you when you are a new grad. Opinions are just that: opinions. However, solid, hands on experience will change your vision of things and your opinions will most likely be different as well.

    If you just stop ranting long enough to take a step back, you will see that no one is trying to demean you. Those of us with experience are only offering our own opinions. Listening to each other is how we all learn. The nurses on my unit with over 35 years of experience STILL colaborate with the others who have less experience........because all of our observations are valid and have worth, not to mention that someone with less experience MIGHT see things in a different (and beneficial) light.

    Flying off the handle as you are doing here could cause you to make some SERIOUS mistakes as a registered nurse. There is really very little room for error in nursing. Am I trying to scare you? You bet I am! I want you to be able to KEEP your license intact. Calm down, please, take a step back and also a big deep breath. Allow yourself the time to learn and digest. We have ALL walked in your shoes (as we were all students at one time) but you have NEVER walked in our shoes as a licensed nurse as yet. You are in for a rude awakening if you think no one is going to be telling you things or critiquing your practice when you are precepted as a new grad and as you continue on in your own practice after your orientation is complete.

    If you are always going to think everyone is coming down on you, you're going to have a very difficult time as a new grad being precepted. Wait until the docs get on your back. That, in and of itself, is an ongoing occupational hazzard.

    I don't know where you are in the student process, but please take some advice from some of us who have already been where you are. We did NOT get to be where we are by presenting the attitude that you have in the quotation above.

    If you come across like that in an interview, NO ONE will want to take the chance hiring you!

    Just my opinions.
    i actually edited my post but i guess u still saw it anyway. fine i guess u r right people can either take advice or not i guess i do sound irate im sorry. i do think this post should be shut down its pointless. by the way im sure i will find someone to hire me with my bsn thanks anyway
  9. by   BETSRN
    Quote from energizerbunny05
    i actually edited my post but i guess u still saw it anyway. fine i guess u r right people can either take advice or not i guess i do sound irate im sorry. i do think this post should be shut down its pointless. by the way im sure i will find someone to hire me with my bsn thanks anyway
    Of COURSE you will find someone to hire you with a BSN. No one said you would not be hired. It seems to me that you are reading far more into what is said than what is really intended by each specific poster. It's wonderful that you have done that (or are doing that). Be proud of what you are doing and of what you WILL accomplish.

    Just please be advised that even AFTER you graduate, there will always be learning/updating to be done and mistakes to be made. You should NEVER stop learning nor should you shut out others who are trying to supply you with recommendations. As I said, there will always be those docs who are out to make our lives as difficult as possible, as there are nurses who do the same.

    If your present BSN program is leading you to believe that you will be totally competant as a graduate nurse, they are leading you astray. This approach by some BSN programs has been the topic of other threads in the past. No one should be over-confident. You will "circle the drain" (an ER term) with that over-confident approach.

    Just remember, all of us HCP's are there for the same purpose: continuity of (as well as quality of) patient care. You are never alone (and should not allow yourself to be). But having an antagonistic approach to everything will do you a lot of harm in the long run. In order to survive, you have to be a team player and give as well as receive.

    That's all we experienced nurses have tried to do in this thread. Now, let's end this on a good note.
    Last edit by BETSRN on Feb 26, '05
  10. by   suewolfie
    Well I certainly didn't expect my first post on here to cause such a reaction!! It is obvious to me that this is important to many of you. And I think that is great. Some of your responses were truly helpful, and I really appreciate that.

    Personally, I do not want to rush into things and miss out on any foundational experience that is going to be crucial to my performance. It makes sense, for me, to just go get the master's degree later.

    I appreciate all of the advice and good wishes. Thanks!
  11. by   jennobrn01
    Good luck to you. Its always good to try something first and like it..then jump in and then hate it later.
  12. by   prmenrs
    I am closing this thread.

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