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Sep 28, 2009 11:10 PM

Hi, just a question on MESs of PIH patients

Updated Sep 28, 2009 at 11:16 PM by whitebunny

Im currently writing a paper on a case analysis of PIH patients
and i discussed a lot regarding PIH patient's facial, knee, hand, sacral edema and pulmonary edema

since the pathophysiology behind pulmonary edema is Endothelia (cant spell so tired) tissue dysfunction, this pt is having chest tightness, SOB
why patient is not provided lasix? im just thinking what i did on med/surg
LASIX can expand her lung and get rid of excess fluids and even reduce her BP!!!!

this pt is just given Mg Sulfate and Hydralazine (cant spell so tired) and go for induction!!!

i researched, didnt find nothing regarding lasix on pregnant woman~~~~

million thanks for help!


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from whitebunny
Old Sep 28, 2009, 11:12 PM

Default Re: Hi, just a question on MESs of PIH patients
im sry i just cant spell

it is lasix

and it is MEDs
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Old Sep 29, 2009, 01:19 AM

Default Re: Hi, just a question on MESs of PIH patients
Is you research in the MIMs (the drug Bible used here in Australia), Lasix must NOT be given during pregnancy unless it is absolutely necessary. If treatment with Lasix is to be used during pregnancy, then fetal growth has to be closely monitored.


As you would know, Lasix is a "loop-diuretic" and it has the capacity to cross the placental cord and enter the fetal circulation. The biggest problem with this is that it can cause electrolyte disturbances, and worse yet, thrombocytopenia of the fetus. This is of the biggest risk during early stages of pregnancy. That's not to rule out risks during later stages of pregnancy. The MIMs indicates that "During the latter part of pregnancy products of this type should only be given on sound indications, and then in the lowest effective dose."


An alternative drug which is commonly used to to treat HT in pregnant women is Aldomet, which CAN be used for pregnant women.



Hope that helps !!
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from whitebunny
Old Sep 29, 2009, 02:15 AM

Default Re: Hi, just a question on MESs of PIH patients
Originally Posted by davidthenurse View Post
Is you research in the MIMs (the drug Bible used here in Australia), Lasix must NOT be given during pregnancy unless it is absolutely necessary. If treatment with Lasix is to be used during pregnancy, then fetal growth has to be closely monitored.


As you would know, Lasix is a "loop-diuretic" and it has the capacity to cross the placental cord and enter the fetal circulation. The biggest problem with this is that it can cause electrolyte disturbances, and worse yet, thrombocytopenia of the fetus. This is of the biggest risk during early stages of pregnancy. That's not to rule out risks during later stages of pregnancy. The MIMs indicates that "During the latter part of pregnancy products of this type should only be given on sound indications, and then in the lowest effective dose."


An alternative drug which is commonly used to to treat HT in pregnant women is Aldomet, which CAN be used for pregnant women.



Hope that helps !!
WOW!!!! Thank you very much! That totally clearies my question!
No, im doing a detailed case study of a complex perinatal client. That question just popped out of my mind as i go through the patho, drugs and etc.....thx for the help....i used critical thinking though! =D
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No. 4
Old Sep 29, 2009, 07:06 AM

Default Re: Hi, just a question on MESs of PIH patients
No problems, and you're more than welcome !
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No. 5
from babyktchr
Old Sep 29, 2009, 07:12 AM

Default Re: Hi, just a question on MESs of PIH patients
Think about the swelling you are dealing with. It is interstitial swelling, commonly referred to as "third spacing". Fluid is trapped in the tissues(leaky capillaries), not in the intravascular space. These patients, though they are swollen, tend to already be on the dry side. Giving them Lasix would only further the dehydration and your swelling would still persist. Managing the hypertension and protein imbalances would be your best bet, not a diuretic.
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from whitebunny
Old Sep 29, 2009, 06:39 PM

Default Re: Hi, just a question on MESs of PIH patients
Originally Posted by babyktchr View Post
Think about the swelling you are dealing with. It is interstitial swelling, commonly referred to as "third spacing". Fluid is trapped in the tissues(leaky capillaries), not in the intravascular space. These patients, though they are swollen, tend to already be on the dry side. Giving them Lasix would only further the dehydration and your swelling would still persist. Managing the hypertension and protein imbalances would be your best bet, not a diuretic.

hi~thank you for clearify the different edema between intravscular and interstital! how would manage the protein imbalances though? cuz research has show little info on diet which could fix PIH~~
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No. 7
from babyktchr
Old Sep 29, 2009, 06:48 PM

Default Re: Hi, just a question on MESs of PIH patients
Many moons ago, we used to give Albumin for third spacing (anyone remember that). It isn't so much managing the protein, but keeping an eye on protein in the urine and such. You just have to keep an eye on these girls...they can get sick so fast.
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from CEG
Old Sep 29, 2009, 07:28 PM

Default Re: Hi, just a question on MESs of PIH patients
Keep in mind that elevated BP is only a symptom of PIH and even if it is lowered does not fix the underlying problem. Edema is no longer considered diagnostic of PIH, but even if we could correct for it we still would not have cured the PIH. The only cure is delivery so you have to question the benefit of introducing other meds on top of what she is already on. Sounds like you have the science down (better than me )
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from whitebunny
Old Sep 30, 2009, 07:18 PM

Default Re: Hi, just a question on MESs of PIH patients
Originally Posted by CEG View Post
Keep in mind that elevated BP is only a symptom of PIH and even if it is lowered does not fix the underlying problem. Edema is no longer considered diagnostic of PIH, but even if we could correct for it we still would not have cured the PIH. The only cure is delivery so you have to question the benefit of introducing other meds on top of what she is already on. Sounds like you have the science down (better than me )
thank you~
yes i did mention that the edema is no longer a diagnostic critieria because it is so commonly seen in pregnancy, and pts who have no PIH can rapidly develop HELLP as well.
She is going to induction, and u r right, we shouldnt add other meds for her cuz the induction is the only way to solve her problem, plus PIH resloves without 48 hours after delivery
thank you for your help!
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