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No. 10
from Elvish
Old Sep 23, 2009, 12:12 PM

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I HATE cupfeeding, and wish it would be banned forever at my facility as well.

Our peeps are ok with a BG of anything above 40 in the first 24hrs. So with a sugar of 38, then a feed, then 42, I'd be ok with just checking it in an hour, because so often the sugar will come up on its own. 42 is low normal for us, but still normal, and I'd be willing to watch the kid and wait.

Our policy is a glucose at 1, 2, and 4 hours of age. If any one of the 3 is low, baby eats (breast or bottle) and we recheck again in an hour. I don't believe in gratuitous bottlefeeding, but I'm also not ok with a baby's glucose dropping too dangerously low either!

I'm surprised this pedi is alarmed at a glucose of 40-50 this early on and so willing to go with formula. Agree w/ those who suggest skin-to-skin as a way of getting baby interested. Also suggest (if it hasn't been already) maybe squeezing a few drops of colostrum onto the nipple. Sometimes that gives them just the incentive they need.

One trick I learned with an SNS is not to try to get baby onto the nipple with the SNS tubing in place. Get baby latched onto the breast first and slide the tubing into the kid's mouth...SO much easier. Learned from a NICU nurse who happened to be my patient one night.
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No. 11
from CEG
Old Sep 23, 2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Marissasmommy View Post

I feel dumb for not thinking of the SNS! I've never used one though and don't think we even have them here, gonna have to talk to the OB supervisor about that since it seems we may have more patients that this Doc does this with.

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You don't have to get SNS (they are expensive). You can actually use any medical lines. I can't remember what I used with my baby but it seems like it was NG tubing (?) You put the expressed colostum/milk or formula into a bottle and put the tube in. Tape it to the side, then run the tube to mom's breast and tape it. Slide the tube into babys mouth and you have and SNS. You can also tape the tube to a finger and finger feed. Works well and a nice temporary fix without laying out the money.
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No. 12
from DebblesRN
Old Sep 24, 2009, 08:05 AM

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Where I work, our glucoses have to be greater than or equal to 50 or the baby gets formula. We have a GDM protocol--check sugars at 1 hr, 3 hrs, 12 hrs, and 24 hrs.

I try to let mom BF first regardless, so that she gets the stimulation, but we always follow up with 24cal formula--20-30ml every 3hrs. Maybe I am just unlucky, but the sugar never comes up for me with just BF.

We have a few peds that want us to feed every two hours. Man I hate them. The Neos are much better.

I love the idea of the SNS made out of feeding tubes and stuff. We have SNS, but the lactation Nazi keeps them locked up in her office, and mostly refuses to give them out--then complains we are not helping the moms nurse through the sugar issues. Hello--give us the SNS and we can make them successful and not have to use the freaking bottle.
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No. 13
from BabyLady
Old Sep 24, 2009, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Marissasmommy View Post
I'm taking care of a mom who had gestational diabetes and had a repeat c-section. Babe was footling breech at delivery and had somewhat of a difficult delivery even though it was sectioned. Mom had 10 units of insulin night prior to surgery. Baby's blood sugar after 1 hour was 38 mg/dl. Our policy is usually to let mom nurse and then recheck in 1 hour if less than 40. Blood sugar was 42 mg/dl 1 hour after. The doctor actually wrote orders to recheck blood sugar prior to next feeding and if <50 give formula INSTEAD of breastfeeding. I kinda have issues with not even trying to let the baby nurse first and then give the formula.

(The same doc has another babe admitted at 3 days old with jaundice in which she told the mom just to stop breastfeeding and just pump for now. She did tell her if she got anything we could use it also.) Obviously we are NOT a baby friendly hospital. I really don't feel like we are helping these moms out by telling them to just pump.

The babe is now having trouble latching on and not opening it's mouth wide enough when trying to get latched on. I'm wondering if it might have nipple confusion already?
The physician's #1 priority is helping that baby.

The baby didn't have nipple confusing, once the baby's blood sugar is too low, it does not have the strength to try to nurse so bottle feeding and the higher sugar and protein is the best choice.

The NEXT step if it doesn't improve is to get an IV access and give little junior a bolus of D10W.

I am sure Mom would rather see a bottle feed instead of that.

Neonatologists won't wait an hour because your baby can go severely downhill...if it's not up in 30 minutes, that's it.

Nipple confusion is a myth. A baby that young only knows of it's biological instinct to suck be it a nipple on a breast, a bottle, gloved hand, dog's nose.

It doesn't care.
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No. 14
from BabyLady
Old Sep 24, 2009, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DebblesRN View Post
We have a few peds that want us to feed every two hours. Man I hate them. The Neos are much better.

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The sickest babies in our unit don't feed sooner than every 3 hours.
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No. 15
from DebblesRN
Old Sep 24, 2009, 09:45 AM

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Yeah--it is this one group of pediatricians. They drive me crazy. They want the baby fed every 2 hours until we get 3 AC's above 50. We are talking 20-30ml every 2 hrs. They will start IVF if the sugars stay low for too long, but when you have a baby that is being fed every 2 hrs with ACs in the upper 40's, the baby gets tired. Sometimes, if the right doc is on from this group, they will give an order for Q3hr feeds or that a 45 chemstrip is okay. The rest of them are butts.
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No. 16
from BabyLady
Old Sep 24, 2009, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DebblesRN View Post
Yeah--it is this one group of pediatricians. They drive me crazy. They want the baby fed every 2 hours until we get 3 AC's above 50. We are talking 20-30ml every 2 hrs. They will start IVF if the sugars stay low for too long, but when you have a baby that is being fed every 2 hrs with ACs in the upper 40's, the baby gets tired. Sometimes, if the right doc is on from this group, they will give an order for Q3hr feeds or that a 45 chemstrip is okay. The rest of them are butts.
Seems like they didn't get the memo in their pediatric residency, that the baby also burns up sugar when it cannot rest.

Q2 feedings actually is detrimental instead of beneficial.
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No. 17
Old Sep 25, 2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyLady View Post
The physician's #1 priority is helping that baby.

The baby didn't have nipple confusing, once the baby's blood sugar is too low, it does not have the strength to try to nurse so bottle feeding and the higher sugar and protein is the best choice.

The NEXT step if it doesn't improve is to get an IV access and give little junior a bolus of D10W.

I am sure Mom would rather see a bottle feed instead of that.

Neonatologists won't wait an hour because your baby can go severely downhill...if it's not up in 30 minutes, that's it.

Nipple confusion is a myth. A baby that young only knows of it's biological instinct to suck be it a nipple on a breast, a bottle, gloved hand, dog's nose.

It doesn't care.

I understand that she was concerned about the blood sugar dropping, BUT it had already gone up once. Our policy is just to check after 1 hour and if under 40 feed and call. It did go up to 42 after the initial nursing session. We normally wouldn't recheck it at all since it was above 40 after the intial feeding. I didn't mind giving the baby formula, I just wanted to at least be able to let her TRY to nurse first.
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