baby friendly questions

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The hospital that I work at is in the process of becoming baby friendly, and I have some questions about how the baby friendly initiative is implemented in other hospitals.

I want to start by saying that I think that breastfeeding is a wonderful, healthy, mutually beneficial thing, but I wonder if the experience where I work is typical. If a patient says she intends to bottle feed, or a breastfeeding mother requests a bottle, we are supposed to try to persuade her to breastfeed. We've been given a script to follow that basically seems guilt inducing to me. We are supposed to use this script on everyone from a exclusively breastfeeding first time mother to a patient who has had her sixth baby and has supplemented every single child. I've had patient's tell me that they have asked for bottles and the previous nurse acted as though she didn't hear the question and some mothers actually crying and begging for bottles. I feel that my job is to help my patients do whatever it is that they want, not to guilt people into breastfeeding. I will go over the benefits of breastfeeding, how babies need to nurse frequently, how frequent nursing will encourage milk supply, I will tell my patients who want to supplement during the first 24 hours that it is not necessary, I will talk about baby's nutritional needs and stomach capacity . . . I will give my patients all the information I can, but I try to do it in an informative way. And this isn't good enough. If a patient is still requesting bottles, I don't feel that I should tell them no, but the next day our lactation consults are telling me (and other staff, too) that we should try harder and that we must be pushing formula. I will help my patients do whatever they want to do, but I refuse to tell them that formula is basically poison, which seems to be what the hospital wants.

I work at night and the other issue is the night time nursery. We are being asked to make our patients sign a waiver before their babies will be allowed in the nursery. The waiver lists an entire page of reasons why baby should room in and at the bottom it says something like "I would like my baby to be separated from me despite all of the benefits of rooming in. I give permission for my baby to go the nursery despite the fact that we will not receive the mutal benefits of rooming in." This form should only be given to parents once they've asked for their child to go to the nursery. I feel awful taking this waiver in to a sleep deprived woman with hormones surging through her body who has finally decided that it's okay to let us watch her baby between breastfeedings. There has to be a better way.

We have also been told that we will not be able to give out pacifiers even if parents ask for them in the near future. Pacifiers are only to be used for comfort during circumcisions and then thrown away.

For many people, they already feel guilty asking for a bottle or for the baby to go to the nursery. I don't really know what to say to parents who are literally so exhausted that they can't keep their eyes open or patients who have had the baby to breast so much that their nipples are so tender that they are crying. Since we've started going through the baby friendly process, we've had more babies dropped during the night, babies in bed with mothers--I found one baby half hanging off the bed next to it's mother's knees, and one completely covered with the blankets over its face next to its snoring mother. These situations are not typical, but we have been noticing that they are happening more and more frequently.

I don't think that formula and mandatory night nursery are the answer either, I feel that my patients are adults who should have the ability to make informed decisions. I would like to know what other nurses experiences with baby friendly are. I feel like the my hospital is taking it a bit far and that breastfeeding has become more important than anything else, it's almost become as if lactation services have more power (for lack of a better word) than anyone else, and the relationship between the LC's and the nurses has become so adversarial, to the point where they are telling our management that we are collecting the babies every night and taking them to the nursery to feed them bottles. Actually, it's easier for me if the baby is in the mother's room and she and dad are caring for the baby and feeding him or her and changing the diapers . . . the nursery isn't for my convenience, and most of my coworkers have this same opinion.

Anyway, I'm sorry this is so long, and I thank anyone who reads all my rambling and gives me some opinions and advice.

~Rhee

Specializes in Community, OB, Nursery.

Oh, to have the time to be able to do all the above.

It was mandatory for us a few years ago to watch the hand expression and spoon feeding videos and it's all great information. This is where 'bad implementation' comes in. Teaching and reinforcing that kind of thing is impossible timewise with the staffing ratios we have (4:1, sometimes 5:1). On nights we have no techs and no lactation help, so whatever interventions there are - it's on the nurses. And that's a load to carry.

That's not saying I don't appreciate the information. That's saying, I wish I had time to actually put what I know into practice.

Elvish I agree with you. I've worked post partum in two different baby friendly facilities and the only one in which I felt I was able to truly provide good support and education with feeds was the rural hospital where we rarely had more than 3:1 on a shift. In the big hospital with 4-5:1 it was a nightmare, so sad for those poor Mums.

Specializes in Postpartum, L&D, Mother-Baby.
Oh, to have the time to be able to do all the above.

It was mandatory for us a few years ago to watch the hand expression and spoon feeding videos and it's all great information. This is where 'bad implementation' comes in. Teaching and reinforcing that kind of thing is impossible timewise with the staffing ratios we have (4:1, sometimes 5:1). On nights we have no techs and no lactation help, so whatever interventions there are - it's on the nurses. And that's a load to carry.

That's not saying I don't appreciate the information. That's saying, I wish I had time to actually put what I know into practice.

YES!!!! I agree Elvish! It seems to me like night nurses are lactation consultants, nurses, techs/CNAs, sometimes secretaries, and at times we are short and don't even have a charge nurse! At that point, baby friendly and all the time consuming things it requires goes out the window!!!

Marymoomoo, I appreciate all of your information. I do know the differences between formula and breast milk. I know that breastfeeding is best, and I support all Moms who want to do it. Yes, I do keep the babies skin to skin with Mom. The main problem I have is babies who won't wake up. They will scream in their cribs, but as soon as they are put to breast, they fall asleep and refuse to wake up. I do believe a main problem is all the elective inductions and c sections. I think it has a major affect on the babies, and I believe it is part of breastfeeding problems. I work night shift, so the vistors being in the room is rarely the problem. And like the above posters pointed out, there is not enough time on night shift to spend trying to help breastfeed. Our ratio is 4:1. Plus we have no nursery nurse, so we all have to take turns staying in the nursery. (There has to be 2 nurses in there at all times.) Plus, we have to round on our section patients every hour. There is simply not enough time.

And while I agree that breastfeeding is best, I also believe there are times when a baby should also be supplemented. High weight loss, dehydration, low blood sugars, etc. These babies need a supplement. Also, I had a baby last night who wanted to nurse constantly. She would latch well, and eat for hours. Yet she was still very fussy and acting very hungry, despite all the feeding. She obviously wasn't getting enough to eat. What do you suggest in these situations? Mom cannot breastfeed her 24 hours a day. The Mom was exhausted, and ask for a supplement. After the baby took it, she went to sleep, and didn't fuss for the rest of the night. She was obviously starving.

Specializes in NICU.

All I know is that they're taking away our FREE formula and pacifiers...and we're already a broke, public hospital. :/

I don't not agree with getting rid of the formula samples or coupons to new moms. The way I look at it is if a mom is determined to breastfeed she will regardless, and a coupon is not going to change that. All this does it takes away samples from those who need it.

Specializes in L&D/Maternity nursing.
YES!!!! I agree Elvish! It seems to me like night nurses are lactation consultants, nurses, techs/CNAs, sometimes secretaries, and at times we are short and don't even have a charge nurse! At that point, baby friendly and all the time consuming things it requires goes out the window!!!

then I think that should your hospital wish to go Baby Friendly, they first need to address the staffing issues.

We are 3 (couplets):1 on nights at my facility. We have a unit secretary on, 2 LNAs and on average 8-9 RNs (one charge) with at least one RN on call ready to come in.

(if it helps, we are a 20 bed LDRP, with a special care nursery and a 3 bed triage. We average 100-110births a month).

Its a lot of work, but on nights I certainly have the time to help patients with hand expression and/or other interventions to help facilitate breastfeeding.

Specializes in L&D/Maternity nursing.

And while I agree that breastfeeding is best, I also believe there are times when a baby should also be supplemented. High weight loss, dehydration, low blood sugars, etc. These babies need a supplement. Also, I had a baby last night who wanted to nurse constantly. She would latch well, and eat for hours. Yet she was still very fussy and acting very hungry, despite all the feeding. She obviously wasn't getting enough to eat. What do you suggest in these situations? Mom cannot breastfeed her 24 hours a day. The Mom was exhausted, and ask for a supplement. After the baby took it, she went to sleep, and didn't fuss for the rest of the night. She was obviously starving.

are you sure the baby was actually hungry, or perhaps they just wanted to pacify?

also why does supplementation necessarily mean formula? Why can't it first be mom's own (expressed milk), or donor milk? THere are other means of supplementation before formula needs to be used.

Specializes in L&D/Maternity nursing.

Also, I disagee that the babe in your example was "clearly starving." Its more work on the stomach and gut to digest formula (as opposed to breastmilk) and the reason they slept for hrs after the formula supplement could very well have been due to the fact that the babe was so exausted from the energy expended during digestion.

Specializes in Community, OB, Nursery.
then I think that should your hospital wish to go Baby Friendly, they first need to address the staffing issues.

Yes, I agree completely. My coworkers and I have begged them for more staff. However, with admin pushing our management to cut costs, it doesn't look likely.

I am curious. How do you supplement with donor milk when there is no milk bank in your facility or anywhere close by? I suppose private donors are an option, but it opens a hospital up to an enormous amount of liability. (That's not to say I agree that it should, just looking at it from risk management's eyes.)

Specializes in NICU, Public Health.

Breastfeeding has been taken to the extreme. People need to think about what is really important for baby and mom. Is it really better to allow a baby to starve and scream all day when mom is not getting anything when pumping and baby won't latch? I feel like that would have worse effects on baby and mom than temporary supplementation.

Oh, to have the time to be able to do all the above.

It was mandatory for us a few years ago to watch the hand expression and spoon feeding videos and it's all great information. This is where 'bad implementation' comes in. Teaching and reinforcing that kind of thing is impossible timewise with the staffing ratios we have (4:1, sometimes 5:1). On nights we have no techs and no lactation help, so whatever interventions there are - it's on the nurses. And that's a load to carry.

That's not saying I don't appreciate the information. That's saying, I wish I had time to actually put what I know into practice.

All you, Fyrelie, and Queen2u have said sounds familiar. :( Unfortunately, low staffing makes it difficult to really meet moms where they are at. Even worse, many moms leave the hospital with little or no information, conflicting information, or difficult-to-maintain solutions to temporary problems that makes them want to give up.

Baby Friendly is a wonderful program for mothers, babies, and hospitals. Though, I believe the implementation by the majority of bean counters (who make staffing ratios) don't seem to take into consideration that what makes BF successful is patient education. If you don't have time to sit down and work with your patient, or if the IBCLCs on staff or so overwhelmed that they only have a few minutes with each mother/baby pair, that simply isn't effective. It's quite the opposite, really. Patient ratios matter.

I wish you all had the time to assist your patients as you desire and as they deserve.

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