Thinking of moving to UK - page 2

Hi! I'm obviously new here. My DH and I have been discussing a move to the south UK for some time. We currently live in Northern California. His parents are from Liverpool and Manchester. We have... Read More

  1. by   Silverdragon102
    Quote from UKRNinUSA
    Interesting -tell me more. I have read quite a few posts from UK nurses that describe horrible working conditions. Where are the good jobs?
    My job as a practice nurse has excellant working conditions although the pay isn't as good as it could be. They are very supportive in training and can even go to dentist or own GP's/Consultant in their time. They also pay for staff and partners christmas meal and approx 3 times a year closes the surgery for an afternoon and treat us to either bowling and a meal or just a meal. I can't complain just moving to the US to try something different and face a bit of a challenge, plus I double my pay with the move
  2. by   RGN1
    Well I bagsied Tanvi's job first!!!:icon_biggrin:

    Although I have to confess I do have good working conditions. I work in a private hospital with a good nurse to patient ratio (usually), plenty of variety, great colleagues, friendly atmosphere etc but bottom end NHS pay!
    Last edit by RGN1 on Dec 18, '06
  3. by   Tanvi Tusti
    Quote from UKRNinUSA
    Interesting -tell me more. I have read quite a few posts from UK nurses that describe horrible working conditions. Where are the good jobs?
    Hi
    Im what they like to call nowadays "modern matron" (I never chose the name lol), and independent nurse prescriber so had to work a few years to get to this point in my career. Im on the top of pay scale 8 with 2 discressionary points so my annual salary is actually 46,900, which at current US exchange rates works out to about $91,924. If we decide to go back to the US (which is looking unlikely at this point), my salary in the Bay area will be $52,416, hence the reluctance. I am very lucky in that I really enjoy my job here in the UK. Im primarily based in primary care, although some of my work does involve the odd few hours in hospitals. That is where the problems lie. There are severe staff shortages which leads to poor moral etc, etc. I dont see that in my job. I work with a happy bunch of people, sure we have the odd grumble, who doesn't but generally things are pretty good. Ive worked in Australia where things are pretty similar to here in the UK, they have staff shortages too as do the US. Ive seen some pretty horrendous tales of woe from American nurses about their working conditions etc, especially ICU, so I certainly dont see the US as all milk and honey like some people do. Yes I love the country and the people (my husband is one of them), Im just not sure that working there is for me. I almost see it as a step backwards. My nurse prescribing is not recognised. I have two degress and a masters, my midwifery degree is not recognised, I would have to jump through hoops to get my MSc. recognised, whereas in Australia, its just a matter of getting a few certificates notorised and filling in an online application for a visa, all of which can be completed in less than 4 months. No exam, no burocrasy, and I get virtually the same pay and can use all my skills.
  4. by   Tanvi Tusti
    Quote from suzanne4
    That has to do 100% with the contract that you signed. Average rate of pay in the Bay Area is about $100,000 per year, and I am sure that you were not getting that in the UK.
    I am very close to that pay if you use current conversion rates and taking into account the high price of living in the Bay area (my husband used to live in Emeryville so he pretty much knows how much things cost there), I am actually WAY better off finincially here in the North of England. Yes, sure some parts of the States are cheaper to live, like WA state which was DH's home for over 20 years but certainly not in San Francisco.
    Last edit by Tanvi Tusti on Dec 19, '06
  5. by   XB9S
    I work in a similar role to Tanvi but in an acute hospital, I too am a nurse prescriber but don't earn quite as much (haven't been banded yet with Agenda for change) I am top H grade which gives me about 32,000 pa.

    Although there are some appalling conditions in the NHS I am very lucky and work in a very supportive area and love my job and the people I work with.

    Having said that there is little recruitment opportunities for overseas nurses, within my trust we would not be allowed to consider anyone if there is a UK nurse qualified and able to to the job. THere are areas where there are job freezes and CNS and senior nurses are being asked to work as ward nurses to fill the deficit.

    I trained late 80's and remember a similar situation then, things improved and have deteriorated and I know this is something Madwife says but in the NHS it does seem to be cyclical so I suppose we need to just wait to see what happens.
  6. by   ICUtoITU
    Curlygirls - a bit of advice: start your registration with the NMC as early as humanly possible. I'm an American RN recently moved to London w/ my husband for his work. The transition was rather hasty and I didn't start the licensing process with the NMC until I arrived here in Feb (of 2007). The NMC has warned me that it will take 4-6 months to simply get licensed, but I'm starting to think that's aggressive. It is taking forever to go through this process. Someone mentioned the numerous hoops one has to jump through to become an RN here, and it's absolutely true.
    I left San Fran - as an ICU nurse in a trauma center and it nearly broke my heart. I'm missing work so much right now and am trying not to become too frustrated with the slow and painful NMC processes.
    I think it's great that you're considering a move - living out of your comfort zone is always a good thing. Just do your homework before you leave.
  7. by   wannabeE.R.RN
    Just to give a little balance to the UK salaries mentioned by other posters here.... The Royal College of Nursing figure for the average UK RN salary is 24,841.... This is near the top of the Band 5 pay scale, which includes most nurses, outside of advanced or (junior) managerial roles...

    http://www2.rcn.org.uk/campaigns/pay_2007
    http://www.rcn.org.uk/agendaforchang...ay/pay2006.php

    Something to consider after the immigration/registration difficulties involved...
  8. by   scattycarrot
    Quote from Tanvi Tusti
    Not all nurses have bad working conditions or pay in the UK you know. I am making way more here in England than I will be making if I ever go the the US. I have a job lined up in San Fransisco and my pay there is over 20% LESS than I make here, plus the living costs in the Bay area are way in excess of the North of England. Yes, sure the weather can be pretty dismal here, but my husband is from Seattle and their weather is much the same as ours, in fact we have WAY less rain, trust me on that one.:spin:
    I think your story is the exception rather than the rule. I don't think many nurses in the UK have such a happy story to tell, unfortantly!
  9. by   XB9S
    Quote from scattycarrot
    I think your story is the exception rather than the rule. I don't think many nurses in the UK have such a happy story to tell, unfortantly!
    You are quite but not everyone has a sad tale to tell either, my situation is similar to Tanvi's, I love my job and have similar support from my colleagues and have a fairly good wage.
  10. by   misswoosie
    Hey!
    I can so no way on Gods earth how you can compare The North Of England to USA. And lets face it- the NHS is a mess. I do not understand how someone who is a Modern Matron can reccomend nursing here IF ,and that is IF, staffing levels, levels of cleanliness etc are similar to the hospital I work in. We do not value nurses in this country. What percentage of nurses are actually on band 7s or 8s? I was a clinical nurse specialist (G grade)and was given a band 6 for my efforts.
  11. by   XB9S
    Miss Woosie, you are obviously and understandable very upset over your banding I assume you appealed, but I take it that you checked and signed that you were happy with your job description before it was submitted for matching. All of my staff made sure that the job description submitted were updated before submission and corresponded to the appropriate profile for the job they were doing. This meant that they got a fair banding.

    It would be difficult and wrong to compare hospitals because each trust is very different but I and I am sure that Tanvi can only speak from our own expereince. I hvae found the NHS has been very good for me I have been fortunate in getting support for study and worked in well funded and well staffed units.

    As I say I can only speak from my own experience and on that I wouldnt want to work or nurse anywhere else.
  12. by   misswoosie
    OK -I understand exactly how AFC worked-by trying to fit job descriptions to the national profiles. I actually wrote my own job description, painstakingly over 3 months. The problem was that I was not given the appropriate points for the information contained in my job description. I was an Anticoagulant clinical nurse specialist ,part of a team of 4 nurses managing 1800 outpatients on warfarin as well as manging all IP anticoagulation and diagnosing and treating patients with DVT in A/E. We had open access contact for patients to phone us at any time so were frequently interupted whilst dosing patients on the computer database, and Doctors would frequently call for advice ,as would DNs and GPs. An example was that I was given a score of 2 for mental effort-the same as the pathology porter. I had 11 points less than a band 7-that speaks volumes
    I notice that you have not received your banding and wonder why that is?
    I wish that people would not assume that when we are feeling undervalued because of our AFC bands we did not know what was involved or didn't check our job descriptions. I was one of the people who voted against AFC.
    The system was subjective-how do you measure terms like "often, complex, frequently and distressing"? these are subjective words.
    We have 2 nurse consultants who put in exactly the same job description. They were matched by 2 different panels and 1 received 8a, the other 8b. I arrest my case
  13. by   XB9S
    Quote from misswoosie
    OK I notice that you have not received your banding and wonder why that is?
    Because in wales we a a bit slower and I hvae only just completed my JAQ.

    It sounds as if you have been treated really unfairly and if in your shoes (which I may well be when my JAQ outcome arrives) I am sure my view of my job will change but as I said I can only speak from my experience which so far has been very good. That may well be becuase of where I have worked and luck. I have been involved in setting up a few welsh government funded units so the staffing and funding are good, i have progressed fairly quickly and been really lucky with the jobs that I have got, although I have worked really hard studying to make sure I was qualified to get the higher grade jobs which helped because I was able to ask for higher grades.

    As I say it may well chage when I get my JAQ outcome

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