That spelled badly, contravesial thread about NA's... - page 8
Hmmmm, thinking hat on now... Factoids (being poorly contructed facts) -Nursing = what nurses do = The provision of care -Care requirements have difrent componencts (say IVI's and bed... Read More
Feb 7, '03its late and i'v just found this thread yes i'm mentally and physically exhausted from trying to keep my head above paerwork and take care of the people i'm paid to look including untrained members of staff after and quite frankly i'm pretty mad at the slating RN's are getting i have never asked anyone to do a job I icould do I would never ask anyone (or walk x amounts of yards )to find someone to ask them to put someone on a bedpan if I could do it myself but try doing all that stuff when Docs or relatives are shouting for your attention Rns are just one person like everyone else and yes basic nursing care is great but who added all the other bits after I qualified (26 years now) i never signed up for all the paerwork , all the threats of being reported by relatives other members of staff, making sure that i document everything to cover my ass if things should go wrong etc, why can't all grades of nurse just stick together it would make things so much easier instead of fighting indifferent corners now I cant spell because i,m knackered so i'm going to bed eyemmeff I agree withg most things you say maybe its time i was thinking of getting out.
Feb 11, '03I just read this thread, and to be honest it was quite shocking.
I am a student nurse and on placements I have seen auxillary nurses answering to the call of nurse... but then on placement I do as well, I work on the theory that if someone is shouting for help, I'll help them, even if it means just telling them that I will fetch the SN.
The placement I am on at the moment is fantastic, the SN and the AN's work well togther, the bed and baths are done as a team, when the SN's do the meddies the auxillaries start getting the breakfast trolley ready. The system works really well.
I have been on wards where the SN have little contact with the 'dirty' jobs, try doing a late shift or a night shift on these types of wards, when the SN have the time they will do these tasks... (and as for the NA (yes n/a not AN) who complain abut doing these tasks, hello what were you employed for?)
I was on one placement looking after cancer patients, and the ward only employed SNs for the night shift, and as there were no doctors round etc, the Nurses were able to care for their patients.
Registered Nurses in my view do a fantastic job of looking after patients but in putting up with the demands student nurses place on their time.My last CAP document required 87 signatures from my mentor, not something that could be done whilst helping with a bed bath.
Sorry for ranting, but I am very tired, and have a tonne of work to do,
PS: British Student my on medical words is pretty bad, so because my dictionary won't fit in my tunic pocket I have words like "diarrhoea" writen inside the cover of the notebook I use for handover notes. So I don't have to waste time looking them up.
Feb 11, '03oh...........was given a medical dictionary by my first ward sister and told to use it!
Chris- I understand you are shattered- I qualified 23 yrs ago and got out into general practice. I thought the pace would be slower but its not but the team work is great and the docs have been known to do dressings when I'm too busy! we all look out for each other- its a great atmosphere to work in. the down side is I know my patients really well- and when they die, I grieve like a relative! that hurts- specially when its a child. other than that- I love it!
Feb 14, '03Well, if nothing else this is clinical evidance that nobody should try to form complicated political comments after a 13 hour shift....
Feb 15, '03hey British Student theres a lot of things you cant do after a 13 hour shift but high on my list of things to do is not form a complicated political comment!
Nov 24, '04Quote from BritishStudentI think i know what you mean. I suppose NA's are "nurses", but not qualified nurses. I think this is an age old discussion that everyone has their opinion on. Remember we had SEN's and although they had nurse in their title and they trained for 2 years, the NA's are basically do the same thing aren't they? I seem to remember they took alot of flack too........ This is just my opinion, and i have had this discussion many times with the nurses that i have worked with. It's not an easy one to get your head around is it?Hmmmm, thinking hat on now...
Factoids (being poorly contructed facts)
-Nursing = what nurses do = The provision of care
-Care requirements have difrent componencts (say IVI's and bed baths) both important care requirments but the backgroud education required to perform them is significantly difrent
-RN's are performing tasks that NA's do on many wards.
-The performace of NA's in some fascets of care is better than RN's can provide (partialy beacuse of time factors, partialy other reasons)
questioniod (questions I cant answer beacuse im not entirely sure what the question actualy is...)
-Why cant we accept that the invisable task (NA's) are nurses in their own right? Not trained with 3 years academdic knowledge and advanced skills.
for lack of a better definition than the above one, 'nurses nurse', 'provide nursing care', 'we are nursing'
Therefore nurses (not RNs or NAa, but 'Nurses') are still providing nursing care, those core nursing activities that we vaunt so very much....
So why are we worried about the transmition of tasks to NA's?
dont flame me, I dont think I even belive the above points but I'm just tring to bounce ideas around in my own head and though outside assisstance might help resolve the question....
Nov 25, '04Maybe I'm just having an off day, but I have read this thread all the way through, (all 7 pages), and I'm still none the wiser as to what the main subject is actually about. Is it about:
1) How student nurses get treated?
2) The differences between health care assistants, nursing auxillaries and registered nurses?
3) Who has the right to call themselves a nurse
4) Bad and grammer?
5) The role of the registered nurse in modern day practice?
6) The NMC Code of Conduct and legislation?
Nov 25, '04Quote from donmurrayMay well be, still no real idea what this threads about, maybe we can debate whether BritishStudent has qualified?!!Note the OP was January 2003, BritishStudent may be BritishRN now!
Nov 25, '04I'm locking this thread since it is really quite old--no reason to rehash the whole thing again.
If anyone wants to debate the issue, start a new one, ok? Thanks.