That spelled badly, contravesial thread about NA's...

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Hellllllo Nurse, BSN, RN

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As stated before, I have been a CNA, an LPN and an RN.

I have worked in a facility where there were no aides. Nurses only.

Things went so much smoother, no conflicts, no insubordination, no having to fight to get things done. No having to look for an aide who was asleep in a pt's room, or out taking her tenth smoke break of the night.

We nurses did it all. The pts were the cleanest most well cared for pts I have ever seen.

Finally, we did get an aide. She was so fantastic, just exceptional. We nurses were so grateful to have her, we just totally kissed her butt. If I had a dying relative, I would want this aide to care for them. I wrote a letter to administration telling them so.

However, I think that there are probably not any bad aides here reading this thread.

I'm sure all the bad aides I've ever "worked" with are in jail, out getting one of the many hickies they always showed up to work with on their necks, or out pulling the wings off of flies somewhere. They can't be bothered with a nursing web-site.

Specializes in Mostly LTC, some acute and some ER,.

I never said anything about not having an RN! You are so jumping to conclusions. I really hope that you do not treat your aides like I think you do, becuase one day, they will say, "No, I'm busdy doing other things for you."

About 4 years ago, I have made up my mind that I want to be an RN. After I became a CNA, I made up my mind that I will do everything I can to pass meds, do IV's, and do dressing, and ofcourse I will do whatever I can to make my CNA's jobs a little easier, because after all, they are helping me.

l.rae

772 Posts

Originally posted by ayemmeff

Sorry,Mandi,but do you know me?Work with me? No? Thought not.Therefore I am not your "dear one".I will not be patronised by you, Mandi.

Who's saying anything about doing my job without H.C.S.W.s(CNAs)I didn't. I'm well aware that I couldn't do my job day in and day out without them.However,I do sometimes have to work shifts without them,and do you know what? The patients are still clean,fed and comfortable at the end of the shift.

What would your job be like without RNs?Huh?Think about it. Answer? Non-existant,there would be no patients left alive.

very well stated......we are forced to work more and more shifts w/o NA too....makes me appreciate them all the more....however, NA's who have a problem with RN's that are too busy (there are some lazy in ALL job roles I know, but,) to help them everytime they ask...they need to get out of the field..it is only going to get worse bfore it gets better...IF it gets better...RN's are busier, fewer. pt's are sicker and more numerous.......just the way it is;)

ayemmeff

205 Posts

Originally posted by FutureRN_Mandi

I never said anything about not having an RN!/B]

No,Honey,I said that!!!!

and you didn't answer the question.

You have no idea how I treat my co-workers,sweetie,absolutely none.

Before you try to give someone a piece of your mind,be sure you can afford to lose it.

Specializes in Mostly LTC, some acute and some ER,.

Ayemmeff;

I do not mean to sound so gruff, and no, this world could not get along with RN's.

I do appologise for commenting on how you treat your staff, because you are right . . . I don't know. I'm different at work than I am on these threads, I'm much more quiet in person. I don't know you, and I don't know what it is like working with you. It might be very nice working with you!

I was just making some statements on how I felt. Now If we could just stop fighting! Nurses and CNA's should work as a team. We are all in this together!!!

Specializes in Mostly LTC, some acute and some ER,.
Originally posted by l.rae

very well stated......we are forced to work more and more shifts w/o NA too....makes me appreciate them all the more....however, NA's who have a problem with RN's that are too busy (there are some lazy in ALL job roles I know, but,) to help them everytime they ask...they need to get out of the field..it is only going to get worse bfore it gets better...IF it gets better...RN's are busier, fewer. pt's are sicker and more numerous.......just the way it is;)

I hardly ever ask for help from an RN because I know that they are busy, but when I do, and they refuse that makes me angry!

I do agree that there are lazy NA's, I work with a few, but I refuse to be one!

ayemmeff

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Originally posted by FutureRN_Mandi

Ayemmeff;I do appologise for commenting on how you treat your staff, because you are right . . . I don't know.

Thank you for your apology,Mandi. I appreciate it.:)

emily_mom

1,024 Posts

Originally posted by FutureRN_Mandi

Ayemmef, dear one, I think you are jumping to conclusions. i understand that starting IV's and pushing meds is part of your job. I'm going to say this as nice as I can. What would your job be like without CNA's? Huh? Think about it. in adition to all the nursley stuff, you would have to give showers, you would have to put patients to bed, get them up, do their vitals, feed them . . . and oh!! God forbid! Answering call lights! Aides do so much for nurses, and SOME nurses NOT ALL OF THEM, won't even answer a call light to help her aide who is maybe busying herself with another call light!

Some people may be different in person than they are on the boared. I am being non-judgmental here, and approaching this thread with an open mind. I am just simply saying that as much as aides help you out, you could help them from time to time.

I feel that a good nurse takes care of things, whether really basic, or complex, even if that does mean changing a bed pan. Oh puhlease! I think some nurses are like scared of poop, like it might eat them alive or something!

Do not judge until you've walked a mile in an RN/LPN's shoes. You are a CNA and the aforementioned duties are yours to perform. I only wish that we had more than one CNA for 90 patients. I give baths, showers, clean poop/urine, empty cath bags and CLEAN THE DAMN ROOMS b/c we don't have other staff to do it. This is on top of all of the other duties we have and carrying a patient load of 6-10 people.

As MANY others have said before me, you are a KID and have a lot of growing up to do. You have no clue as to the responsibilities of a nurse. When you hit the real world maybe you will regret the stand you have taken.

Kristy

bossynurse

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I am an RN. It pizzez me off when I see another nurse walk 100 ft hunting down a tech(cna) to tell them the soinso needs to be put on the bedpan. If I am in the room and a pt needs something I do it. There is nothing more demeaning to a tech than to hunt her down because a pt needs something simple like a blanket. Luckily we have a call light system where an operator answers the call lights. She then pages either the nurse or tech depending on the need. The pager reads out exactly what the pt needs (pain med room 4303). This saves time. the call lights are answered much faster and if you ignore the page,it pages you again. Cuts down on slackers both nurse and tech.

frannybee

267 Posts

FutureRN_Mandi said, "Think about it. in adition to all the nursley stuff, you would have to give showers, you would have to put patients to bed, get them up, do their vitals, feed them . . . and oh!! God forbid! Answering call lights!"

What the bloody hell do you think we do all day?

I know Mandi and Ayemmeff have been battling it out and made it up - I read it all. You've really annoyed me with your comments, Mandi, and I'm upset that you even think like you do. You say you're different in person and at work - that's not necessarily a good thing, since it sounds like your opinions are eating you up inside and making you bitter.

You say you refuse to be a lazy NA - I refuse to be one of those RNs who dodge the hard stuff. If a commode is needed, I'll get it even if I'm busy - that's important. If that commode needs to be taken away and I'm busy, that's less important and it can either wait a few minutes, or I may ask someone to get it for me. I will quite gladly do the same for anyone in that situation, RN or NA.

My favourite thing on a morning shift is making beds. If we have more than one RN on a morning shift, I am always the first to volunteer to 'do the backs' with the Auxilliaries - washing and feeding patients, showers, making beds etc. We have fantastic auxilliaries who understand that sometimes the RNs will need to abandon what they are doing to see to patients who need nursing care. They know we appreciate them because we tell them, and show them by giving them as much slack as we can when it's busy (longer breaks than ourselves, home early if there's nothing more they can do on a shift etc). We're a team and we work together for the benefit of the patients.

Oh, and to those who were debating the definition of nursing and wondering who answers when a patient calls? In our hospital the patients call "Staff" - as in Staff Nurse. Whoever needs help enough to be calling out gets answered by whoever is nearest, we're not especially fussy about rank if someone is on the floor in a puddle of urine.

emily_mom

1,024 Posts

Well said Franny. The reason Mandi is so uneducated about the roles of a nurse is that she is 16...'nuf said.

It really pizzed me off when she that she doesn't ask an RN for help but when she does and they don't help it makes her mad. Um, obviously there are some issues there. Not everyone is required to help you b/c you ask for it. Maybe there was a crisis....maybe there are 10 pt that need meds and it's already 0830.

GRRRR........

Hellllllo Nurse, BSN, RN

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After reading this thread and all the replies...

At first, I thought Mandi was an intelligent, ethical, hard-working person. Now...

I think she is very young, very immature, and had absolutely no idea what it is that nurses do, what they are responible for, the pressures they face, etc.

If she decides to become a nurse, she will have a VERY BIG eye opening experience.

That is one of the main reasons that new grad RNs are leaving nursing sooner and in greater numbers than ever before...when they truly see the reality of nursing, they are overwhelmed, experience "Nursing Reality Shock", (a well-documented nursing phenomenon) and many of them get out of nursing, as soon as possible.

I do not feel that anything we tell her will change her perceptions. She (any many other CNAs) will just have to find out on their own, THE HARD WAY.

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