That spelled badly, contravesial thread about NA's... - Page 8

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  1. Feb 15, '03 by
    hey British Student theres a lot of things you cant do after a 13 hour shift but high on my list of things to do is not form a complicated political comment!
  2. Nov 24, '04 by
    Quote from BritishStudent
    Hmmmm, thinking hat on now...

    Factoids (being poorly contructed facts)

    -Nursing = what nurses do = The provision of care

    -Care requirements have difrent componencts (say IVI's and bed baths) both important care requirments but the backgroud education required to perform them is significantly difrent

    -RN's are performing tasks that NA's do on many wards.

    -The performace of NA's in some fascets of care is better than RN's can provide (partialy beacuse of time factors, partialy other reasons)


    questioniod (questions I cant answer beacuse im not entirely sure what the question actualy is...)

    -Why cant we accept that the invisable task (NA's) are nurses in their own right? Not trained with 3 years academdic knowledge and advanced skills.

    But,

    for lack of a better definition than the above one, 'nurses nurse', 'provide nursing care', 'we are nursing'

    Therefore nurses (not RNs or NAa, but 'Nurses') are still providing nursing care, those core nursing activities that we vaunt so very much....

    So why are we worried about the transmition of tasks to NA's?


    Tribalism maybe.....


    dont flame me, I dont think I even belive the above points but I'm just tring to bounce ideas around in my own head and though outside assisstance might help resolve the question....
    I think i know what you mean. I suppose NA's are "nurses", but not qualified nurses. I think this is an age old discussion that everyone has their opinion on. Remember we had SEN's and although they had nurse in their title and they trained for 2 years, the NA's are basically do the same thing aren't they? I seem to remember they took alot of flack too........ This is just my opinion, and i have had this discussion many times with the nurses that i have worked with. It's not an easy one to get your head around is it?

    Emma :hatparty:
  3. Nov 25, '04 by
    Maybe I'm just having an off day, but I have read this thread all the way through, (all 7 pages), and I'm still none the wiser as to what the main subject is actually about. Is it about:

    1) How student nurses get treated?
    2) The differences between health care assistants, nursing auxillaries and registered nurses?
    3) Who has the right to call themselves a nurse
    4) Bad spelling and grammer?
    5) The role of the registered nurse in modern day practice?
    6) The NMC Code of Conduct and legislation?
  4. Nov 25, '04 by
    Note the OP was January 2003, BritishStudent may be BritishRN now!
  5. Nov 25, '04 by
    Quote from donmurray
    Note the OP was January 2003, BritishStudent may be BritishRN now!
    May well be, still no real idea what this threads about, maybe we can debate whether BritishStudent has qualified?!!
  6. Asst. Admin
    Nov 25, '04 by
    I'm locking this thread since it is really quite old--no reason to rehash the whole thing again.

    If anyone wants to debate the issue, start a new one, ok? Thanks.