Are nurses being imported to the UK?

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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10376026/Number-of-foreign-nurses-coming-to-UK-doubled-in-three-years-as-NHS-poaches-workers-from-abroad.htmI

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    Are Nurses being imported to the UK?

    I do not know if the Telegraph is a reliable newspaper. I find this concerning, the reason being, from what I have read Nurses in the UK are not paid a reasonable wage. If nurses are leaving it probably is that that they can find other positions that pay a living wage.

    If the UK is importing nurses from countries other than the UK it is because their wages are lower than the UK which is eroding the UK Nurses power to negotiate higher wages. With Healthcare changing in the US I can see that this could be a way to nursing wages.
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    I have heard of some hospitals going to Spain for nurses but not sure how reliable that is, was just documented on the BBC news website. Pay will be the same regardless on where they are from as the NHS follows a banding payscale
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    I realize the pain is the same, but it changes the whole supply and demand , no need to raise nursing salieries when you have eager supply willing to work .
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    Currently the government is talking about not giving the NHS the annual pay-rise and I would image that would be giving many nurses reasons to be leaving.
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    This reasoning of no need to pay rise if there are others ready and willing to work for whatever they can get does not seem to work in Australia. Seems the nurses union is worth the $600 yearly. There is more than enough willing and eager to work anytime, anywhere from overseas into Australia for whatever, as long as sponsorship or pr visa is offered, but somehow Australian nurses still get paid okay, with yearly rises and jobs are getting harder to get by the minute.

    We also have a national health care scheme, free healthcare along with private have for many, many years. Time will tell I suppose
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    I know of hospitals who actively recruit from Philippines, India and Portugal. They either send someone there or use a local agency to interview via skype. When I work in London, most of my coworkers describe being recruited like this.
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    Speaking to the assistant director of nursing in my hospital and she confirmed the hospital is going abroad to recruit nurses because we are not getting the number through university to fill open positions. This is also due to the government reducing training numbers by thousands over the last few years
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    Quote from Gem1210390
    Speaking to the assistant director of nursing in my hospital and she confirmed the hospital is going abroad to recruit nurses because we are not getting the number through university to fill open positions. This is also due to the government reducing training numbers by thousands over the last few years
    I find that hard to believe.
    When my London ER advertized ten band 5 posts about a year ago there were over 300 applicants.
    They recruited their ten nurses easily, but perhaps what was more significant was that all ten were foreign trained.

    I've been criticized on this forum before for saying this, but i still believe that UK nurse training is poor when compared to foreign training.
    If I have a choice, I will choose to work with a foreign nurse every time, they are just more proficient that their UK trained counterparts.
    We regularly have third year students with us, and its sad to see their lack of knowledge and skills at this late stage.

    I don't believe its the number going through university that is the issue, more that they are simply not fit for purpose at the end of their course.
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    Quote from skylark
    I find that hard to believe. When my London ER advertized ten band 5 posts about a year ago there were over 300 applicants. They recruited their ten nurses easily, but perhaps what was more significant was that all ten were foreign trained. I've been criticized on this forum before for saying this, but i still believe that UK nurse training is poor when compared to foreign training. If I have a choice, I will choose to work with a foreign nurse every time, they are just more proficient that their UK trained counterparts. We regularly have third year students with us, and its sad to see their lack of knowledge and skills at this late stage. I don't believe its the number going through university that is the issue, more that they are simply not fit for purpose at the end of their course.
    I am only posting what I was advised. We put jobs out where I work and find it really difficult to feel the positions. I get what you are saying that sometimes the students that are coming out are not the best. They take over year to train to the standard required on the unit without support (critical care area). I have got to say that they are not all like this and some are really good. Equally I work with people that have been trained for many years and things are questionable.

    When I went through training the education was really good. I do question students now on basic a&p and they often are unable to answer questions. The nmc need to audit what the students are learning more closely.
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    Quote from Gem1210390
    Equally I work with people that have been trained for many years and things are questionable.

    When I went through training the education was really good. I do question students now on basic a&p and they often are unable to answer questions. The nmc need to audit what the students are learning more closely.
    I understand about the 'old-school' nurses too!

    CPD was supposed to address many of the issues of the "we've always done it this way", and keep practice current and evidence-based, but that can be a real challenge sometimes to move things on!
    Wound management is an area that springs to mind, there are many examples of poor practice out there, (in both UK and US), that it saddens me to see so many patients receiving less than optimal care.


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