Clinical hours short of NMC suggestion?

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feelslikefire

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Thanks, babyRN! I will do that later this week, then. I am now also wondering if the RN followed by bridge classes to BSN would be insufficient as well. Better to know now than have my heart broken down the line, I guess.

liser79

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Hello everyone.

I had a quick question about this thread. Everyone is focusing on the clinical hours from school. Does this include if you are already practicing as a RN in the states? Seems silly that you are an experienced nurse longer than the length of your schooling but you still need a certain # of clinical hours. Is everyone here speaking of going right from school to the UK or do all of you have experience in the US?

Thanks.

Lisa

NoleNurse2000

35 Posts

liser-I am almost certain that you have to have post registration experience to apply for a PIN. I had 12 years experience post BSN and 8 years post MSN and still had to stress about my approval.BabyRN- I disagree with he statement that uk new grads need little orientation. All of the new grads (past 2 year years of graduating) that are in my A&E have pretty long orientations. They don't learn to do venipuncture or canulas, they don't do urinary catheters. (these are 3 nearby universities). So all of this is taught post registration.Kelley

babyNP., APRN

1,922 Posts

Specializes in NICU.

Liser, the NMC doesn't care if you have 40 years of experience. It only counts with your schooling. Sound arcane? Sure, but it is their rules and we as non-UK citizens can't really fight them. The UK is allowed to register nurses as they see fit...I imagine they might change in 20 years when the baby boomers retire, but we'll see...

Nole, I was just trying to compliment UK nurses :) and it's what I've been told. You would know better, obviously.

Silverdragon102, BSN

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Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.

Would just like to say that the same goes from UK to US it all goes on transcripts and not experience.Plus going to the UK apart from Overseas Nursing program you do not have to sit another exam but nurses not from the US have to sit NCLEX to be able to work in the US as a RN even if well experienced and have a license in the country they are living and working

marksi

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Specializes in Wound, Ostomy, Community Health, Med-Sur.

This is all very helpful information, as I'm applying to the NMC, as well. I just received my paperwork from the University where I received my Bachelor's of Nursing, and the hours they calculated as far short of what the NMC states in their informational sheet. My school only gave me 465 theory hours, and 1005 clinical. The NMC states in their brochure they require far more. Has any one had this discrepancy and finished the process? Did anyone have to work additional hours under observation to make up for these hours? or does the NMC somehow acknowledge the degree equivalency without further requirements besides the overseas nursing program?

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

thanks

babyNP., APRN

1,922 Posts

Specializes in NICU.

this was my experience as an American BSN. You need at least 1500 hours total, at least half are clinical and at least 1/3 are theory. You might be able to add some theory hours with required pre-req's for nursing; I would ask Continental Travel for advice as they are very helpful.

https://allnurses.com/international-nursing/journey-foreign-nurse-651871.html

marksi

18 Posts

Specializes in Wound, Ostomy, Community Health, Med-Sur.

thanks for the advice, babyRN. I'm probably worrying too much. I can't imagine nursing schools in the UK are that different from the US.

Are you working in the UK now? If so, how's the job market for nursing?

babyNP., APRN

1,922 Posts

Specializes in NICU.

Marksi, they actually are super different. I had something like 700-800 clinical hours in a 4 year BSN and they do 2300 in 3 years. I really don't know how they do it. I felt overwhelmed enough doing my 16 hours a week and turning in 10 page write ups that took hours upon hours. Heed my warning, you need to show at least 1500 hours total, that's what the decision officer told me was the minimum. Other people have gone back to their nursing schools and asked to recheck the hours because they do make mistakes since they don't do this kind of a thing on a regular basis.

No, we don't plan to move to the UK for many years (want to go when we have kids that are old enough to remember their grandma and the time spent in the UK, although the new family immigration rules are making this particularly difficult).

Job market for nursing seems to be okay for agency nursing, but not for permanent nursing from all I've been reading. Kinda sad because agency nursing is a short-gap measure and can't continue to forever in a large capacity. You'll need visa sponsorship or be a UKC or an immediate relative of one to go over...

marksi

18 Posts

Specializes in Wound, Ostomy, Community Health, Med-Sur.

that's incredible. I know what you mean. I was overwhelmed by my nursing program as well. Maybe we have more documentation than they do, regarding care plans, etc. Who knows? I know that the community college nursing programs have more clinical hours than BSN programs.

I have italian/US citizenship, so am not worried about visa issues. I'm actually trying to get my license recognized in France, but they are such a pain in the ___, regarding getting my american diploma recognized, that's it would actually be easier to get my UK license first, then bring that to the french nursing order. That way I wouldn't have to repeat nursing school in France. So much work for so little pay, but it'll be worth it in the long run, since I think the french health care system is very efficiently run (plus I have family there). And I really like the quality of life in France.

thanks again for your advice.

Silverdragon102, BSN

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Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.

UK training is done through the university and is full time. Many spend weeks on the wards doing clinical placement with weeks also spent in classrooms doing threory. The course is full time with no breaks through the summer or winter so when the rest of the university takes a summer break nursing continues on through.

THis should give you an idea on training

Nursing (Adult), BSc(Hons) - 2013-14 - University of Huddersfield

marksi

18 Posts

Specializes in Wound, Ostomy, Community Health, Med-Sur.

thanks Silverdragon, for the info on what nursing school is like in the UK. It sounds like a 3 year bootcamp! I felt somewhat unprepared after I graduated from my US nursing program. Luckily I was already working as a CNA in two hospitals, and they both hired me on as an RN. So I already knew the nurses and they were excellent mentors. I still felt the "real" training came on the job after nursing school.

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