Yet another excelsior college question r/t reciprocity in Calif - page 5

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Ok. I know this topic has probably been beat to the bone, but there's something I don't understand. If California does not accept EC grads, and we all take the same NCLEX-RN, is it possible to work for a certain # of hours in... Read More


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    Quote from lizz
    I apologize if I hurt your feelings. That actually wasn't my intent. It just seems so obvious to me what the problem is here and perhaps I get too overzealous in my arguments.

    Then I read comments like this ...



    I pretty much thought we all agreed there were problems with the fly-by-night operations and MA's. Afterall, that is why EC eventually eliminated them. But I guess magazine schools are now ok. Sorry but I don't put those people in the category of Benjamin Franklin and Abe Lincohn. It's so ridiculous and frustrating that if I am too overzealous in my arguments you hopefully understand why. Comments like this don't help EC's reputation.

    Oh now come on, really. I was just using that as an *example*

    And anyway...I think my picture would look pretty darn good on a 100 dollar bill.
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    Quote from lizz
    I apologize if I hurt your feelings. That actually wasn't my intent. It just seems so obvious to me what the problem is here and perhaps I get too overzealous in my arguments.

    Then I read comments like this ...



    I pretty much thought we all agreed there were problems with the fly-by-night operations and MA's. Afterall, that is why EC eventually eliminated them. But I guess magazine schools are now ok. Sorry but I don't put those people in the category of Benjamin Franklin and Abe Lincohn. It's so ridiculous and frustrating that if I am too overzealous in my arguments you hopefully understand why. Comments like this don't help EC's reputation.

    BTW ... I wouldn't be opposed to testing. That seems like a good idea. Although keep in mind, 50 percent of LVN's do fail at least part of the challenge exams. And that's when they've already had the course material. So, I don't know how well people would do if they haven't had the material at all. Even if they are experienced, chances are they haven't been trained in all of the specialities. That would also be one monster of a test. A huge amount of material. Nevertheless, it's worth a shot, I think.

    I thought about the 50% failure rate of LVN thing as well when thinking about this. At the time I started at EC, the CPNE only had a 57% first time pass rate, not very good and almost caused me to not want to do it. The highest year I'd seen as 68% which was the highest it had ever been.
    EC started having workshops and skills labs later on and they say that it helped improve the pass rates.
    My theory is that if 50% of LVN's are failing exams covering material already learned in their program, then something is wrong with either the LVN programs and/or the exams themselves because that's pretty bad.
    But who knows.
    Now, let me tell you how people can get trained in all of the specialties that they don't have experience in:
    The same way people are prepping for the CPNE today.
    I had no peds experience outside of clinicals in LVN school and the CPNE tests peds and adults.
    But...every decent sized hospital where an LVN works has a friend of a friend of a friend who works peds, OB, psych, ICU, OR, etc. and that's how preceptorships get set up.
    Come in on your own time and follow someone willing to train you.
    That's how many are prepping for the CPNE today.
    If you get a crappy preceptor who barely meets standards at work and teaches you bad habits, well then you probably won't pass the clinical exam.
    That's how the RN to BSN program at my employer works as well.
    If you don't have someone to follow around for let's say, the leadership class, then you start networking at work and eventually someone knows someone that you can work with to meet your goals.
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    Quote from RN34TX
    My theory is that if 50% of LVN's are failing exams covering material already learned in their program, then something is wrong with either the LVN programs and/or the exams themselves because that's pretty bad.
    But who knows.
    Those are the stats for my school. I don't know if that figure applies statewide. The vast majority pass the exams for NP1 but the NP2 exam is the one everybody failed that I know of. The challenge exams are the same final comprehensive exams we take at the end of each semester. The NP2 exam includes all the material covered for Med Surg, OB and Peds.

    Some LVN's hadn't been in school for years. Others were fresh out of school and still failed. As we've previously discussed, the LVN schools are regulated by a different state board so, maybe that has something to do with it.

    But then 80 percent of the regular NP2 class also failed the final so, maybe it was just an incredibly tough exam. My school really likes to pile on tests the last week of school. I know that class also had two other tests the same week as the final so, unless you were really diligent about constantly studying all semester long, it was probably very difficult to pass that test.

    And, if you were an LVN who hadn't been in class and and had not been tested on the material all semester long, it was probably even tougher to pass because it was a huge amount of material.

    So ... it would be interesting to see how people would do with comprehensive third and fourth semester exams. If this situation is any indication, it could very tough.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Oct 8, '05
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    I think it's very arrogant of California to deny EC Nursing grads, who are ALL previous LICENSED nurses, yet accept foreign nurses, in place of them...and here we are...all graduating from USA Nursing schools..arguing about this. Do you think the foreign nurses, who graduated in their 2nd/3rd world countries are having to sweat this right now? Go figure .
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    That's right. They are too pompous and out of order.
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    Just FYI, this thread is about 5 years old.

    StrawberryBanana, have you contacted the Cali BON? Might be best to get the answer directly from them.
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    I have, but to no avail. I did speak with EC and they confirmed that Maryland and California still do not accept them. However, they said they have heard of people working for a year and applying to California and being able to obtain their CA license..although they make no guarantees.
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    I would contact the CA BRN to get a definitive answer. Not many people are vocal about getting their license elsewhere, working elsewhere, then getting a CA license, after graduating from EC. Worth getting an answer from the horse's mouth.
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