Guidance in taking classes with Excelsior I am not a LPN, but wrkd in medical.

  1. This is to anyone that can help!! I am really undecided, I turned in my application to Excelsior to start the ADN program, but having 2nd thoughts. I worked in Surgery for almost 10 years as a Surgical Tech. I am not sure if I would have the knowledge to pass the 2 1/2 day clep exam that they offer at the end of the program. I need some advice, can this clep can be done if you have never started an IV or catherized a patient? I really want to get my degree, but do not want to go through all these classes and then fail the Clep. Does anyone know where I could obtain this type of knowledge? I no longer work in a Hospital, so that would not be an option of learning. If anyone could help I am desperate!!!!

    lmr
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  3. by   kimlpn
    I guess the question is would you want a nurse who never performed basic nursing skills to be your nurse??? I think Excelsior is great BUT I think only those with extensive clinical nursing experience should be allowed in the program. The CPNE is designed to apply what you already know and experience gained on the job or through traditional nursing school. I realize that just out of nursing school I had limited skills but I did have basic skills like giving injections, the nursing process, and cathing...my knowledge base has grown with work experience. Just my opinion but I think you may want to try another route since you have limited nursing skills...It will be hard for you to work as an RN if you don't have a little more nursing background. Book knowledge can't replace technical skills--and vice versa for that matter...they combine together to enhance the occupation as a whole.
    Kim
  4. by   Sheri257
    Quote from kimlpn
    I guess the question is would you want a nurse who never performed basic nursing skills to be your nurse??? I think Excelsior is great BUT I think only those with extensive clinical nursing experience should be allowed in the program. The CPNE is designed to apply what you already know and experience gained on the job or through traditional nursing school. I realize that just out of nursing school I had limited skills but I did have basic skills like giving injections, the nursing process, and cathing...my knowledge base has grown with work experience. Just my opinion but I think you may want to try another route since you have limited nursing skills...It will be hard for you to work as an RN if you don't have a little more nursing background. Book knowledge can't replace technical skills--and vice versa for that matter...they combine together to enhance the occupation as a whole.
    Kim
    Thank you Kim. I was going to say the same thing, but it obviously sounds better coming from you.

    Never started an IV or catherized a patient? Wow. As we've previously discussed, this is where the trouble starts.

    :uhoh21:
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Apr 3, '04
  5. by   NursesRmofun
    I have to agree with Kim and Lizz. It's a little more than a little scary to think of a nurse out there taking care of people that never practiced as a nurse before, without any clinical training other than the test itself.
  6. by   Sheri257
    Quote from NursesRmofun
    I have to agree with Kim and Lizz. It's a little more than a little scary to think of a nurse out there taking care of people that never practiced as a nurse before, without any clinical training other than the test itself.
    Yep. This is a classic example of what caused the trouble in California. And now Excelsior isn't an option there, even for students with experience. This is why Excelsior needs to tighten up on their requirements. It would probably help everybody if they did.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Apr 3, '04
  7. by   DeLynn
    I was just on Excelsior's web site and as of Sept 1, 2004 they are no longer taking Certified Surgical Techs, or Certified Medical Assistants.
  8. by   Helen Robinson
    Quote from lmr
    This is to anyone that can help!! I am really undecided, I turned in my application to Excelsior to start the ADN program, but having 2nd thoughts. I worked in Surgery for almost 10 years as a Surgical Tech. I am not sure if I would have the knowledge to pass the 2 1/2 day clep exam that they offer at the end of the program. I need some advice, can this clep can be done if you have never started an IV or catherized a patient? I really want to get my degree, but do not want to go through all these classes and then fail the Clep. Does anyone know where I could obtain this type of knowledge? I no longer work in a Hospital, so that would not be an option of learning. If anyone could help I am desperate!!!!

    lmr
    Hi, I was accepted Last Feb....I finished my under grad pre req first...I took micro and anat from Brigham Young Univ. Independantly and would recom..them highly....and the life span with excel...I have been a reg. med asst. since 1976 and have setup two med offices and have learned alot over years.... I am in my 50's....I have now flunked concepts 1 twice....So I now hve to chg my study techniques.. and get a study buddy... I wish to find someone close to home so face to face may help me l Yes I am afraid on the cpne.... But if others can make it an have invested alot of money already can't stop.. You may email me directly if you wish I will pass on what I know.... Helencpr@kc.rr.com
  9. by   Helen Robinson
    Hi, Are you with excelsior?
  10. by   Helen Robinson
    What do you mean guidance? I am new to this web site and trying to figure out how to read your answers without moving cursor up and down can ya tell me what to do..
  11. by   Sheri257
    Quote from DeLynn
    I was just on Excelsior's web site and as of Sept 1, 2004 they are no longer taking Certified Surgical Techs, or Certified Medical Assistants.
    Interesting info, thanks. I don't know if this solves the problem completely, but it should help. MA's were some of the biggest problem cases out here in California.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Apr 3, '04
  12. by   featherzRN
    As an Excelsior grad and frequent advocate, I gotta say I agree with the others here. The CPNE is meant to TEST what you ALREADY know how to do. If you haven't done basic nursing care such as catheterizing a patient, I think a more traditional program would be better for you.
    Last edit by featherzRN on Apr 3, '04
  13. by   Helen Robinson
    Can you tell me what happened in Cali--with the ma's. I have been a ma since 1976 and have been involved in health care for several years previous to that... I have been an instructor etc. and belive that what you put into something is what you get out of it.
  14. by   Sheri257
    Quote from Helen Robinson
    Can you tell me what happened in Cali--with the ma's. I have been a ma since 1976 and have been involved in health care for several years previous to that... I have been an instructor etc. and belive that what you put into something is what you get out of it.
    That may be true. But there's no guarantee that MA's have the required experience, and that's the problem. Or, so I was told by the board of nursing. This is the problem when there's no consistent standards. You might be OK, if you've gone out of your way to learn things. But what if other MA's haven't? Especially if it's not required?

    Then they get their RN through Excelsior, and a hospital hires them. The former MA who doesn't have the experience can't perform the expected duties and endangers patient safety. The hospital fires them and institutes a policy not to hire any more new Excelsior grads because they can't risk the liability. Then the hospital, and others who've run into the same problem, complain to the board. Before you know it, Excelsior is out of the state all together.

    This is pretty much what happened in California. With the way Excelsior is set up, there was no way to tell whether people had the appropriate experience or not. So the state essentially eliminated the whole thing.

    :uhoh21:
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Apr 3, '04

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