Excelsior restrictions - page 2

Are the California and other state's restrictions only for the Excelsior ADN degree? What if you then go on to a ADN-BSN program. Once you have you BSN are you still restricted from working in Cali... Read More

  1. by   RN34TX
    Quote from lizz
    Correct me if I'm wrong but, from what I've read on this board, doesn't EC have testing centers in various locations? I thought that was how you guys take your exams. Maybe that would qualify as a "campus" or ... maybe not.

    UoP does have campuses, so to speak, but from what I've heard from various RN's who've participated in UoP, those campuses tend to vary. For example, UoP did classes at local hospital once they determined there were enough RN's at the hospital willing to participate and make it worthwhile. Yet the hospital itself isn't an official UoP campus, and that was done just for one class of RNs.

    And, from what I understand, you can do UoP through classes or you can do it strictly as an online option without going to class, if that's your preference.

    At any rate ... it may be worthy of investigation since, as we know, the California BORN's guidelines aren't always clear. I personally don't know any RN's who have gone through EC for RN-to-BSN but I know plenty who have done UoP ... which is the only reason I suggested people check it out with the board to be sure.

    The hospitals where the CPNE, HAPE, etc. are administered would not qualify as a campus. In a traditional school sense, that would be like attending classes at San Bernardino City College, but going to clinicals in Yuma, AZ (God forbid.)
    Although online options are available to UoP students and many programs can be done completely online, there are physical campuses here in TX and I'm assuming in CA as well.
    But, like you always say, it's best to check with the board where you intend to get licensure.
  2. by   suzanne4
    Don't knock Yuma, it has one of the better hospital administrations in the country that is very pro nurses. At least it was when I used to work threre, not sure now. Used to drive 200 miles to work there several days in a row, then would return home. It was that nice of a place to work.
  3. by   suzanne4
    The biggest difference in the programs is that U of P only offers their program for initial licensure for nurses that already have gone thru a "regular" program for the training. They offer a bridge program from the LPN to the RN, as well as a BSN bridge for RNs who graduated from an RN program and currently have an RN license. They do not do basic bedside training for someone that has never had any clinical experience as an RN. This is what separates their program from the others.
  4. by   RN34TX
    Quote from suzanne4
    The biggest difference in the programs is that U of P only offers their program for initial licensure for nurses that already have gone thru a "regular" program for the training. They offer a bridge program from the LPN to the RN, as well as a BSN bridge for RNs who graduated from an RN program and currently have an RN license. They do not do basic bedside training for someone that has never had any clinical experience as an RN. This is what separates their program from the others.
    If they offer an LPN to RN bridge program but "do not do basic bedside training for someone that has never had any clinical experience as an RN" then what separates their program from others?
  5. by   luv4nursing
    Quote from RN34TX
    If they offer an LPN to RN bridge program but "do not do basic bedside training for someone that has never had any clinical experience as an RN" then what separates their program from others?

    I wonder that too. Excelsior is the same way for the most part. They offer the Program to LPNs, RTs, and paramedics I believe. Being an LPN I went to a regular school. But no RN training yet. Im considering Excelsior, but havent made up my mind. Do u mean its the fact they accept non nurses and dont offer clinical training that sets them apart?

    My other option is finish my last 2 pre reqs and go into the LPN-RN bridge at my community college next January. The program is completely online now. And clinicals you do on your own under supervision or an RN, so u arent necessarily getting instruction in the clinical setting. So I dont get the difference between that and maybe like a lengthy preceptorship/new grad type program after graduating Excelsior. My only concern is with my limited experience Id fail the CPNE and would have wasted my money on it, then by the time Id take it again, I might as well have went to the community college where I could get student loans.
  6. by   suzanne4
    Excelsior actually accepts those that have never had any nursing experience into their program, be it an RT, or a paramedic, just as long as they have some type of certification in healthcare. That is where the issue comes up.

    U of P has a strict protocol in place that must be followed for its clinical part of the program. Some of the others only require so many hours and leave it up to the student.
  7. by   RN34TX
    [quote=suzanne4]
    Excelsior actually accepts those that have never had any nursing experience into their program, be it an RT, or a paramedic, just as long as they have some type of certification in healthcare. That is where the issue comes up.
    That's not true in CA's case. It may be stated over and over here that the "issues" started with non-nurses getting their RN through EC, but the end result in their final decision was to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
    LPN/LVN's were locked out after their cut-off date right along with the RT's and paramedics. CA made no distinction with regard to nursing background and getting a degree through EC for purposes of obtaining RN licensure.

    U of P has a strict protocol in place that must be followed for its clinical part of the program. Some of the others only require so many hours and leave it up to the student
    .
    I hope for the students sake, that it's strict protocol closely mirrors CA's specific clinical rotation requirements or they could very well end up in the same boat as EC, whether they only admit LPN/LVN's or not.

    Incidentally, UoP left a sour taste in my mouth for several reasons.
    One of which was when I first saw an ad for their LPN to BSN program.
    When I called, the rep told me that it was only a test run to see who would actually call and how many people out there were interested in that program. They advertised the program, but then told me that it really didn't exist, they were just seeing who would call and ask about it.

    Then she got snippy and said "Didn't you just call last week about our RN to BSN program? Let's make up our mind, are you an RN or an LPN?"

    I told that I was already an RN but I was inquiring about the LPN to BSN on behalf of an LPN friend of mine. Her response was "Well she needs to call us instead of you." Click.
  8. by   nicholrwalker
    Will CA accept verification fron out of state nurses who graduate EC and would like to do a contract?
  9. by   Sheri257
    Quote from nicholrwalker
    Will CA accept verification fron out of state nurses who graduate EC and would like to do a contract?
    I'm not sure what you mean by contract, unless you're referring to travel nursing or something like that. You still have to obtain a California license and, unless you enrolled in EC by December 6, 2003, you won't be able to do it whether there's a contract or not.


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