Excelsior Pass Rate? - page 4

Does anyone know Excelsior's passing rate? Just curious. tia Kelly... Read More

  1. by   Sheri257
    Quote from chris_at_lucas
    BTW, copyright issues are different for educational purposes.... Same deal as for photocopying materials for teaching purposes.
    I believe that some educational purposes can qualify under the "fair use" exemption. But it's not a blanket exemption. There are limitations. Just FYI.

    Quote from Spazzy Nurse
    Copying something and selling it or giving it away can be violating copyright laws. Selling or giving away original materials is not. They are 2 very different things.
    Actually, you probably have a point there. I have read news stories about the RIAA going after sales of used CD's but, maybe that was inaccurate.

    BTW ... were original study materials being sold or where materials also being copied and downloaded in these Yahoo groups?

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Jun 16, '04
  2. by   barbiedee
    I agree with Spazzy (See Spazz, told you you were my heroine!) Purchasing a study guide, making copies and selling the copies would be copyright infringement....but I can't see any problem with selling the original item you purchased. If there were a problem, hundreds of ebay sellers would be in jail.
    I have just one question after reading this thread. (No, not who is Rob whatshisname....I found out all about him LONG ago!) How do people start and finish the program in such a short time???? I started in October, and have only finished three electives (Microbi, Developmental psych, and Gerontology), and am just now finished NC1. My hat is off to all of you speedy students...any tips to get my brain from geriatric slow-mo to youthful speed demon??? At this rate my pediatric PCS will be geriatric before I finish!!!
  3. by   DC2RN
    Quote from barbiedee
    I agree with Spazzy (See Spazz, told you you were my heroine!) Purchasing a study guide, making copies and selling the copies would be copyright infringement....but I can't see any problem with selling the original item you purchased. If there were a problem, hundreds of ebay sellers would be in jail.
    I have just one question after reading this thread. (No, not who is Rob whatshisname....I found out all about him LONG ago!) How do people start and finish the program in such a short time???? I started in October, and have only finished three electives (Microbi, Developmental psych, and Gerontology), and am just now finished NC1. My hat is off to all of you speedy students...any tips to get my brain from geriatric slow-mo to youthful speed demon??? At this rate my pediatric PCS will be geriatric before I finish!!!

    I enrolled last September, and did all of my Nursing Concepts tests in a two week period, but I had been studying the material for about 8 months already. I chose to take all the exams at once, because I found a lot of overlapping material from test to test. I had taken all of the prerequisites, except Sociology, before entering Excelsior. I took the Sociology CLEP, which I thought was a joke.

    In Excelsior, you still spend a lot of time waiting for the college. After you finish all of your NC test, it takes about a month to get the CPNE application, and another 3 to 6 months to get a CPNE appointment. I passed the CPNE on May 2, 2004, but I do not officially graduate until tomorrow. So you can move along pretty quickly, but you still spend a lot of time waiting for Excelsior.
  4. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    Wow! That is fast...

    I had a similar experience except that I got my CPNE enrollment packet within a week of calling them about being ready to sign up for it, I faxed my choice three days later (I'd received it on a Friday, so it really wasn't that much of a delay), and I guess it took about a week to get my slot, 'cause it was about then that somebody from here emailed me about how to find out if I had the appointment or not.

    Then, I called each PAC each week "just to say hi" and remind them that I could come at the drop of a hat. Friday I got the call (see my other frenetic post), and by dusk of June 27th, I'll have finished the CPNE one way or another.

    From my last NC exam (4/27) to taking the CPNE (6/25), is about 8 weeks. I guess I've been lucky.... Waiting for the school hasn't been a problem.
  5. by   Spazzy Nurse
    Barbie--- the reason you have finished only 4 exams since Oct. is because you ROCK! That is so great, and way faster than most people go through the courses. Keep up the awesome work! Plus it seems as though once you start nearing the end of the NC exams, you get a little adrenaline kick when you are seeing that light at the end of that tunnel of hell, and shoot through those last few. I did, anyway. Maybe you will too.

    Pay no attention to Chris and DC..... they are abnormal superheroes and I am deathly afraid of them. :chuckle
  6. by   barbiedee
    Thanks Spazzy for the lift. I printed out your words of encouragement and posted them by my desk....What can I say? I get by with a little help from my friends! I figure the reason it took me so long to get this far was Microbi. My last science course was in grade 11 back in the mid 1970's, so it took me almost four months for that monster. As my mentor at work says....it ain't a race! It takes as long as it takes. Oh, and by the way, regarding the pass rate of the CPNE, I am encouraged that it is in the 65-68% range...at least that shows that Excelsior is not a 'diploma mill', graduating anyone with the bucks to enroll. It shows you have to work for it and know your stuff under pressure. Heck, if you can pass the CPNE, you should be able to work under ANY type of pressure! Enough babbling...gotta go hit the books again. Thanks again all for such great information and encouragement! Its much appreciated.
  7. by   featherzRN
    I also took the sociology CLEP and I agree that it's a joke.


    To me the boards seemed like cake after getting through CLEP. I can't remember a more stressful test EVER. It's not that it's DIFFICULT (it's not, if you study),but just the stress of having someone standing next to you with a clipboard evaluating your every move drove me nuts. :P Plus, at the time I was an 18 year old LVN with not a lot of money, and the (then) $900 I paid for the test was a HUGE sum of money to lose if I failed.

    That said, memorize the study guide inside and out and you should do fine, as did most of my 'class'.
    Last edit by featherzRN on Jun 17, '04
  8. by   Spazzy Nurse
    Quote from barbiedee
    Oh, and by the way, regarding the pass rate of the CPNE, I am encouraged that it is in the 65-68% range...at least that shows that Excelsior is not a 'diploma mill', graduating anyone with the bucks to enroll. It shows you have to work for it and know your stuff under pressure. Heck, if you can pass the CPNE, you should be able to work under ANY type of pressure!
    That is exactly my thoughts towards the CPNE. Sure, some of the skills you have to perform aren't real life, and some of the methods of doing things aren't real life either. Some people think the CPNE in a whole is ridiculous.
    BUT.
    I think the reasons why you have to do what you have to do for the CPNE is 1) see if you can handle the high speed pace and be able to keep a zillion things straight in your head and 2) to show you that sometimes you have to do things someone else's way, whether you agree with it or not. That's just how real life works. Took me a few years to figure that one out on my own, and I think going through EC's program is what helped me to do that.
  9. by   MickyB-RN
    I took the Sociology CLEP, which I thought was a joke.>>

    Can I ask what you used to study with? I am currently studying to CLEP this and Human Growth & Development. tia


    Kelly
  10. by   DC2RN
    Quote from KellyMarie37
    I took the Sociology CLEP, which I thought was a joke.>>

    Can I ask what you used to study with? I am currently studying to CLEP this and Human Growth & Development.

    I used Best Test Preparation for the Clep: College-Level Examination Program in Introductory Sociology (Clep Series) by William Egelman, Research and Education Association. It is available on Amazon if you type in "sociology clep".I read through it a couple times and went through the questions a couple times. You are looking at two or three days of studying at the most. That was the easiest 3 credits I ever received.
  11. by   MickyB-RN
    I used Best Test Preparation for the Clep: College-Level Examination Program in Introductory Sociology (Clep Series) by William Egelman, Research and Education Association.>>

    Okay, thanks. This is what I have and I bought their Human Growth & Development one also.


    Kelly
  12. by   Destinystar
    :hatparty: I went to Excelsior when it was the University of the State of New York and graduated in 1988. I was the first person out of the NCLEX and received a very high score. The school has high standards and requires a lot more studying then other ADN programs. The clinical exam was also very challenging and had very strict criteria to pass. I went on to get a BS in 1999 when it was called Regents College. I now have a nursing license in 2 states & one in the UK. Even though I heard some states are trying not to allow people who graduated from their to practice. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb! With the nursing shortage being so severe I dont know where any state would get the idea that they are picking and choosing. Oh well we can always get foreign grads that have a 10% passing rate on the boards. Excelsior has just as good if not better passing rate on the boards then any other ADN program.
  13. by   Sheri257
    Quote from Destinystar
    Even though I heard some states are trying not to allow people who graduated from their to practice. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb! With the nursing shortage being so severe I dont know where any state would get the idea that they are picking and choosing. Oh well we can always get foreign grads that have a 10% passing rate on the boards. Excelsior has just as good if not better passing rate on the boards then any other ADN program.
    Well, one of those states is your home state of California. The reason is that some hospitals and the California Nurses Association (among others) complained. Once that happened, the state had to investigate and discovered that the EC program didn't comply with California law. It's difficult for a state agency to justify allowing a program that doesn't comply with its own rules and regulations, especially when some industry heavyweights are complaining about it.

    So, I don't think they had much of a choice in this case.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Jun 19, '04

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