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  1. by   DC2RN
    Chris,

    Since you have been banned from the Yahoo! Groups, let me tell you what the big topic of discussion is about, because I am sure that you are DYING to know. -lol On the CPNE Discussion board, we keep getting messages from Rob Manager (Butner, Whoever....) about how it is illegal and a violation of Federal copyright laws to sell used study guides. Come on! Give me a break! That would mean that every college bookstore that sells used books, every used CD store, and used video game store would be shut down. Don't you think the textbook printers would stop used textbook sales if they legally could. Besides, how useful is a $300.00 study guide after you have already passed the test.

    Rob (Whoever) is slowly taking over the moderator position of all the Excelsior Groups on Yahoo! That way he can keep plugging his CPNE Bootcamp. I have no problem with starting a profitable business that helps people pass the CPNE, but he does not need to be so sleazy about how he advertises it.
  2. by   mona b RN
    This is what I don't get either. Why doesn't this person just own up to supporting his own agenda. I think there would still be plenty of people in the group. It does seem shady and I really can't see why he needs to hide behind the groups.

    It's funny that you mention the publishing thing because I was on the board the other day and saw "Rob's" postings about copyright laws. It gave me a good chuckle.

    mona









    Quote from DC2RN
    Chris,

    Since you have been banned from the Yahoo! Groups, let me tell you what the big topic of discussion is about, because I am sure that you are DYING to know. -lol On the CPNE Discussion board, we keep getting messages from Rob Manager (Butner, Whoever....) about how it is illegal and a violation of Federal copyright laws to sell used study guides. Come on! Give me a break! That would mean that every college bookstore that sells used books, every used CD store, and used video game store would be shut down. Don't you think the textbook printers would stop used textbook sales if they legally could. Besides, how useful is a $300.00 study guide after you have already passed the test.

    Rob (Whoever) is slowly taking over the moderator position of all the Excelsior Groups on Yahoo! That way he can keep plugging his CPNE Bootcamp. I have no problem with starting a profitable business that helps people pass the CPNE, but he does not need to be so sleazy about how he advertises it.
  3. by   Spazzy Nurse
    WHAT?!?!?!?!? He is taking over the Yahoo groups??????? Oh that just makes me SICK. Seriously. Damn I hate that guy. He was banned from many of the Yahoo boards back in the day, as were any other people who were from companies (like the RUE geniuses who posed as students). That is just so, so sad.

    RUE gave me the same crap about it being illegal to resell study guides. They even threatened to have their lawyers call me. I told them to go ahead, and I brought up the same points that DC2RN said---- about how every single college bookstore sells used books (RUE said "that is a store--- that is different) and I said how colleges put up bulletin boards for students to resell materials. If it were illegal, publishing companies all over the world would be prowling EBay, half.com, etc. etc. etc. watching for people selling their books. That is just a big ol' load of $hit. Don't believe Rob or anyone else who tells you that you can't do that. We paid big bucks for their crappy materials. IT IS OURS TO DO WITH AS WE PLEASE. We can take it out in the yard and pee on it if we really want to because it is OURS.

    Ok now this post is just getting insane. I am all crabby now. Sorry. Now I'm gonna get in trouble.


    Quote from DC2RN
    Chris,

    Since you have been banned from the Yahoo! Groups, let me tell you what the big topic of discussion is about, because I am sure that you are DYING to know. -lol On the CPNE Discussion board, we keep getting messages from Rob Manager (Butner, Whoever....) about how it is illegal and a violation of Federal copyright laws to sell used study guides. Come on! Give me a break! That would mean that every college bookstore that sells used books, every used CD store, and used video game store would be shut down. Don't you think the textbook printers would stop used textbook sales if they legally could. Besides, how useful is a $300.00 study guide after you have already passed the test.

    Rob (Whoever) is slowly taking over the moderator position of all the Excelsior Groups on Yahoo! That way he can keep plugging his CPNE Bootcamp. I have no problem with starting a profitable business that helps people pass the CPNE, but he does not need to be so sleazy about how he advertises it.
  4. by   Sheri257
    Believe it or not, he may have a point ... on copyright, that is. The recording industry has successfully sued used CD shops for doing same thing. Most publishers probably don't make a big deal out of college bookstores selling used books because they can't afford to alienate universities who they do business with. But, they probably could under copyright law, if they wanted to.

    You can even violate copyright just by giving away material, like file sharing on the internet, even without selling it. Most people aren't aware of this, but the recording industry has successfully sued individuals for this as well. Just FYI.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Jun 15, '04
  5. by   DC2RN
    Quote from lizz
    Believe it or not, he may have a point ... on copyright, that is. The recording industry has successfully sued used CD shops for doing same thing. Most publishers probably don't make a big deal out of college bookstores selling used books because they can't afford to alienate universities who they do business with. But, if they probably could under copyright law, if they wanted to.

    You can even violate copyright just by giving away material, like file sharing on the internet, even without selling it. Most people aren't aware of this, but the recording industry has successfully sued individuals for this as well. Just FYI.

    Lizz,

    You might be right, but you don't build a successful business by suing all of your customers. Especially in the age of the Internet and discussion boards, word would get out pretty quick. No wonder he has to resort to using weasel tactics and become the moderator of all the groups. Or maybe instead of posting testimonials of how great his CPNE Bootcamp is, he will post testimonials of people his company has sued. They will go on and on about how guilty they feel about reselling their copyrighted material.

    -Lee
  6. by   Sheri257
    Quote from DC2RN
    Lizz,

    You might be right, but you don't build a successful business by suing all of your customers. Especially in the age of the Internet and discussion boards, word would get out pretty quick. No wonder he has to resort to using weasel tactics and become the moderator of all the groups. Or maybe instead of posting testimonials of how great his CPNE Bootcamp is, he will post testimonials of people his company has sued. They will go on and on about how guilty they feel about reselling their copyrighted material.

    -Lee
    Well, copyright is a whole another debate. I was just pointing out that he may be right about the copyright issue. I personally got out of the content business because I thought it was a losing proposition with the internet.

    Yes, you don't build a successful business by suing your customers. But, at the same time, you can easily have NO customers with the internet, when everyone can easily take your stuff for free. And they do. I've been there, and it was incredibly frustrating. Not that I'm sympathizing with the guy, because I don't know what kind of operation he's running, but I can see how it's a tricky situation for anyone who's trying to do biz on the net.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Jun 15, '04
  7. by   mona b RN
    Well, what about what he may be violating in regards to EC. Doesn't EC explicitly state on their website that they do not support outside organizations or training material?

    How can he justify providing training for an event when his program is not even recognized by EC. Then to turn around and say that people do not have a right to use material purchased from these sources. Sounds hypocritical to me.

    To be honest I am not really sure what this person is involved in but I have heard that that name has been banned on various boards.
  8. by   BBFRN
    Robmanager (aka LPNCrazy, aka etc., etc.) is a dirty dealer, and peddles a very poor product with tons of misinformation on his practice tests, from what I hear by lots of study buddies. He isn't losing money because of people reselling his crappy product- he's losing money because his stuff sucks, he's shady, and most of us know it. One thing about EC students is that word of mouth goes a long way, and most of us share what we think about certain products. His latest barage & veiled threats to sue those who resell his product, is one more reason not to buy his study materials. Conesequently, when I tried to post just that on his CPNE message board, I was banned as well. Hmmm...glad to join the ranks of the banned with Spazzy & Chris...lol. (Waiting for Robmanager to show up here under a new moniker touting his crappy product...lol.)
  9. by   Sheri257
    Quote from mona b
    Well, what about what he may be violating in regards to EC. Doesn't EC explicitly state on their website that they do not support outside organizations or training material?

    How can he justify providing training for an event when his program is not even recognized by EC. Then to turn around and say that people do not have a right to use material purchased from these sources. Sounds hypocritical to me.
    Let's say EC, like any college, selects a textbook for their course cirriculum. Course cirriculums are usually developed by state BONs, and I don't think colleges can tell anyone they can't publish competing or supplemental materials.

    So there's nothing to stop someone else from publishing a supplemental study guide or whatever for students to buy, if they want to. That's why there are so many competing textbooks in the marketplace.

    But, a publisher can copyright that particular study guide or whatever, and they can still enforce it, whether the college approves of the study guide or not.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Jun 15, '04
  10. by   DC2RN
    Quote from lgflamini
    Robmanager (aka LPNCrazy, aka etc., etc.) is a dirty dealer, and peddles a very poor product with tons of misinformation on his practice tests, from what I hear by lots of study buddies. He isn't losing money because of people reselling his crappy product- he's losing money because his stuff sucks, he's shady, and most of us know it. One thing about EC students is that word of mouth goes a long way, and most of us share what we think about certain products. His latest barage & veiled threats to sue those who resell his product, is one more reason not to buy his study materials. Conesequently, when I tried to post just that on his CPNE message board, I was banned as well. Hmmm...glad to join the ranks of the banned with Spazzy & Chris...lol. (Waiting for Robmanager to show up here under a new moniker touting his crappy product...lol.)

    I bet you that Rob is trying like crazy to become a moderator on this forum so he can ban us here, too! Nobody can say anything bad about his product anywhere.

    I sent him a file with my CPNE experience at Ellis. I said I honestly did not know anything good or bad about his CPNE Bootcamp. Surprise! Surprise! The file was never posted. If anyone wants a copy, email me and I will send it to you.
  11. by   featherzRN
    I took the CPNE at Long Beach (California), which I have heard is one of the 'hard' sites. We had a relatively large group of students (12) and 10 of us passed. The two that did not pass were completely unprepared for the exam - one hadn't even read the study guide!

    I passed without having to repeat any patients or skill checks - started the program in February and finished (with the CPNE) in August while working full time. So if I can do it, you can too!
  12. by   Spazzy Nurse
    Quote from lizz
    You can even violate copyright just by giving away material, like file sharing on the internet, even without selling it.
    Copying something and selling it or giving it away can be violating copyright laws. Selling or giving away original materials is not. They are 2 very different things.

    And hey! What boards have I been banned from???? I didn't know I was if I am. If I'm not, maybe since you guys are, I should go there and raise a little hell so I can join your little Banned Club.
    Hey! We can even make club t-shirts.
  13. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    I wouldn't worry about Rob becoming moderator of anything. There are two or three Yahoo groups that he started and that's his right. It doesn't take much to see that it is just a vehicle for advertising Excel Advantage or Academy of Nursing (they have some other names too--not a good sign).

    I have actually spoken to him--he's not terribly bright, has no nursing experience, admits he knows nothing about nursing or about nursing education. At the time we spoke, his organization didn't even employ one single nurse.

    It is laughable that he has issues about copyright laws. I haven't seen anything on his site that is original, and there are no citations for sources, so I guess the copyright and plagiarism issues are for others...

    Incidentally, I was moderator of the nontradnurses site for awhile, and I got rid of him immediately, as well as two or three of his little honchos, but not before I learned that several of them are "enrolled" Excelsior students, so that gives us a good idea of where some of his info comes from, and what his sources might be.

    I am for free enterprise--but I am also for the protections provided by law. No plagiarism, no copyright infringement. Can you sell used materials? You bet--you own them, you can sell them. Can you claim you wrote them? No.

    BTW, copyright issues are different for educational purposes.... Same deal as for photocopying materials for teaching purposes.

    Rob's just a jerk. He won't ever become a moderator here. The fact is, this site is run very well, and commercial references get pounced on pretty fast--it appears the moderators err conservatively (i.e., removing a post that might be OK but looks like its not, as opposed to leaving a post on that might not be OK), and I'm fine with that.

    If I have any issues with old Rob, it is that he advertises a lot of stuff he doesn't have--the quality is terrible, and his website looks like it is associated with Excelsior College. The school's name is everywhere, and you don't see a disclaimer unless you click on the school's name.

    A last little note, and then I am back to working on the sugar glider's cage, you can join any yahoo group from which you have been banned simply by using a different yahoo ID. I make up names from time to time and join his little groups just for the fun of it. (That's how I knew about the copyright posts, etc.) It tickles me to be in there when I'm not supposed to be..... BTW, my current name in his groups is "Mary Douglas." If I get banned on that name, we'll know either he or his confederates are members of this BB.

    Isn't this fun??? :hatparty::chuckle

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