excelsior accepted in ?? states

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hi all just wonderin if anyone knew which states do or don't accept excelsior college? I think calif doesn't and colorodo is about to not accept them after the first of the year but other than that I have no idea?

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Lizz,

We'll just agree to disagree here, I guess.

For me as an individual, your whole idea about my degree's value being lessened has not yet happened. The EC controversy only exists online in my life, it has never affected my professional life or any other EC grads that I've worked for or with.

As I've mentioned before, I've even tried to probe the many travelers that I work with who have worked in CA.

Most recently, one is an EC grad, the other is a traditional grad but says he is familiar with EC and has worked in CA with many EC grads, but both have been doing contracts in the SF and LA areas over the past 5-8 years and only came to TX to work because they were offered a sweet deal. (They'd have to in order to abandon the safety of staffing ratios, right?)

But just like everyone else I've asked who worked in CA in recent years, they always respond with "I have no idea what you're talking about."

Even the EC grad who had only somewhat of an idea that CA was changing it's requirements, never had any problems with employers or getting contracts.

My conclusion is that this BB does the best job of over-sensationalizing "the end of Excelsior is coming soon."

RN34TX,

I moved here to CA in October. I had several hospital job offers and chose the one that suited my interests the most. They sold themselves to me--not me to them. I have had absolutely no problems with anyone questioning my ability. What I HAVE seen FIRST HAND is two traditional students (one in my orientation and one on my floor) not pass the NCLEX the first time--one took 6 tries and the other 2. Another nurse who went through a VERY extensive internship, had her orientation prolonged after this 6 month internship--and then was released because she couldn't grasp it and was unsafe. This entire CA thing is also only seen here--ONLINE!!! I am right here in southern CA and not ONCE has anything about EC even been brought up. Some people like to talk up what they don't like--but reality is--not one person I have encoutered at 7 different local hospitals gives a hoot. For the record, again, I was offered every hospital job I applied for...and that was around 7. This debate is dumb...ENUF said. Let the horse die along with the false advertising about EC grads not getting jobs here in CA. It is my own opinion and belief that some people like to argue and have too much time on their hands. I am lucky lately if I can even repond to a few posts let alone respond to EVERY post that has the word EXCELSIOR in it. I will believe that EC grads are having probs findng jobs when I hear it from multiple EC grads here in CA...not hearing it from students and non-EC grads....let's hear it from the horse's mouth. Does anyone remember in kindergarten when we would whisper in our neighbors ear and by the end of the line what was the original whisper was totally off??? That is why I think more first hand EC grads accounts will be more credible. My account is above--now if this thought was so widespread--why didn't someone say something at all theses hospitals????? The only thing they said was, "we would love to have you join our team!"

Missy

RN34TX,

I moved here to CA in October. I had several hospital job offers and chose the one that suited my interests the most. They sold themselves to me--not me to them. I have had absolutely no problems with anyone questioning my ability....The only thing they said was, "we would love to have you join our team!"

Missy

I ditto what you have said. Furthermore, when I contacted the California BON personally, I was told that all applicants (including EC grads who enrolled after the magic date) are looked at on an individual basis and new EC grads don't just fall off the face of the earth when they come to California and that it is possible to become licensed in the state with an additional 360 documented clinical hours. This, of course, can be verified with a phone call by those who believe they know more than the members of the CBON and that this simply could not be true.

Two of my instructors in LPN school in 1999-2000 were Excelsior graduates (and are still there) and I know countless other EC grads who are perfectly capable of doing their jobs. I have sort of a love-hate relationship with Excelsior, there are things about the program I don't agree with, but I cannot accuse them of turning out incompetent nurses. Every nurse I have met who graduated from Excelsior has never faced any kind of job discrimination.

Like it or not, Excelsior is not going anywhere and there are literally armies of us out there.

I called the CBON today and they said that they do ACCEPT the excelsior college, they just want us to meet the clinical and lab standards that traditional nursing student go thru, so they want EC grads to get the clinical experience and documented, plus the lab hours documented.

I want to know what kind of college will accept you just to take there clinicals and lab and not theory and why go thru another year? It makes me sad because I wanted to do the excelsior program, but with my husband being a Marine, there is a good chance of being relocated to California. :(

You do not have to hold a CA license to work in a federal facility in any state. You can hold a NY license and get a job at the hospital on base or a veteran's hospital in California. Unless your husband plans to retire to CA I'd do it and if he gets stationed there find a job a federal facility.

Just an idea:)

I called the CBON today and they said that they do ACCEPT the excelsior college, they just want us to meet the clinical and lab standards that traditional nursing student go thru, so they want EC grads to get the clinical experience and documented, plus the lab hours documented.

I want to know what kind of college will accept you just to take there clinicals and lab and not theory and why go thru another year? It makes me sad because I wanted to do the excelsior program, but with my husband being a Marine, there is a good chance of being relocated to California. :(

This is why California is right on this one and, quite frankly, the other states are wrong. :clown:

The other states are wrong? All of the 49 others?

Everyone except for California is clueless about how bad EC is for the entire nursing profession?

California is the only state that has secret files containing multiple accounts of EC grads making errors and killing people and apparantly won't share it's evidence enough to convince other states to follow their lead?

Lizz, we were all nursing students at one time and as much as I try to understand where you're coming from......

If there's one thing that I do know, it's that nursing students coming out of any program, EC or otherwise, who don't know what they are doing on at least a new grad level, definitely do hurt the profession.

But I also know that there are people who disagree with their program based on nothing short of a personal or philosophical level, it has nothing to do with what's best for the entire nursing profession.

They praise CA today because their ruling is simply in agreement with their own philosphophy, and take their word as gold as if they couldn't possibly be wrong, but will be quick to criticize them the day that their rulings don't match their own personal values.

I admire your willingness to stick to your guns on this issue, and I think that all of us, CNA, LPN/LVN, RN, nursing student, whatever, have something valuable to add and be learned from here, so don't get me wrong here but....

Your last post about what's best for the entire profession has prompted me to have to say that I think that you are starting to go way out of your scope of knowledge here.

I just don't think that nursing students are in any position to be making any claims about "what's best for the entire profession."

You're still learning the profession, let alone, have much insight about what's best for it.

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I called the CBON today and they said that they do ACCEPT the excelsior college, they just want us to meet the clinical and lab standards that traditional nursing student go thru, so they want EC grads to get the clinical experience and documented, plus the lab hours documented.

I want to know what kind of college will accept you just to take there clinicals and lab and not theory and why go thru another year? It makes me sad because I wanted to do the excelsior program, but with my husband being a Marine, there is a good chance of being relocated to California. :(

Yes, the Board is saying they will allow EC grads after the magic date...but getting clinicals lined up seems to be the tricky part. There are good and bad nurses put out of all nursing students--CA chose the extreme decision....and with that decision went some skilled nurses that this state really needs. Working short is more dangerous than working with a competent EC grad.

Your last post about what's best for the entire profession has prompted me to have to say that I think that you are starting to go way out of your scope of knowledge here.

I just don't think that nursing students are in any position to be making any claims about "what's best for the entire profession."

You're still learning the profession, let alone, have much insight about what's best for it.

Well, this is a new low for you RN34TX. If you have to resort to personal attacks ... then you must be having some trouble formulating arguments on the merits.

I don't know why you're bringing this up now when you already responded to the exact same post two days ago. I haven't posted anything since so, what has suddenly provoked this unwarranted attack?

And I never used the phrase "what's best for the entire profession" nor did I use the word "best." So you're attacking me for things I didn't even say ... brilliant.

:rolleyes:

I did say the standards benefit the entire profession. That is, afterall, why professions do have standards, or do you disagree with this as well. Read the post, again, and try to quote me accurately next time.

I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist or, even an RN, to figure out that making a bunch of exceptions to the standards is not the ideal scenario for any profession. If you would actually like to debate that issue, rather than resort to personal attacks, let me know.

:rolleyes:

I don't understand why you're making this personal attack now ... especially since you already responded to the exact same post two days ago. And if you're going to quote me, at least quote me accurately.

I never used the phrase "what's best for the entire profession." I said the standards benefit the entire profession. Read the post, again, and try to keep the context of the entire post in mind.

I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that making a bunch of exceptions to the standards is bad for any profession. If you would actually like to debate the issue, then let me know.

:rolleyes:

exactly what is the issue here? i thought that it was based on the title of the thread. i have to wonder why you haven't taken me up on the issue of naming specific states that deny licensure for excelsior nurses. on this issue, you've been completely silent. now why is that? i thought you'd be listing all these state boards that forbid excelsior nurses, so that i could call them and verify this information, or misinformation.

other than your prejudices against excelsior (which don't appear to be backed up by any facts, or even any personal experience of yours - correct me if i'm wrong), i don't see much genuine debate about the issue coming from you either.

yes, i realize that you feel that people are "lowering the standards" and somehow cheating the people who go the conventional route. you refuse to address the fact that the NLN has accredited the program (why, if it doesn't work?) and instead want to repeat over and over the california board's conclusion (which conveniently can't be brought into debate where it can be examined) as though it is infallible truth.

i'd like to know what your credentials for education of nurses are? tell me, do the folks at the NLN know nothing? how do you know more than these professionals? and how do you account for the NLN naming excelsior as a center for excellence? is the NLN excelsior's handmaiden? is there a bribe here?

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