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- Feb 17 by PMFB-RNIt is shocking to me that so many otherwise smart people are taken in by TCN. I mean TCN isn't scamming trusting little old ladies here but people bright enough ot finish LPN or praramedic school. My first contact with TCN when I was an LPN sent SCAM allerts running through my head,
- Feb 17 by LadyFree28Quote from klone30K PER YEAR!!!!I guess it's the same reason why for-profit schools are able to scam people into enrolling in their nursing program to the tune of $30K PER YEAR. Desperation?
If you are paying total 50k for the entire BSN program, OK, but if its more than that and not IVY, I would stay away from it...
I encourage people to WAIT and apply to every public Uni and college across the NATION BEFORE shelling our money to go to a for-profit school...even if it means either moving your family, or moving yourself to get a affordable education, just my opinion.
- The TCN contract states that if the student is not admitted into ISU, the student will receive a full refund. TCN wrote the contract but is failing to honor it. Many California ISU students have taken TCN to small claims court, which in California is now up to $10,000. When facing the lawsuits, TCN has tried to settle for less than the contract amount but require the student to sign away their constitutional rights. Such as freedom of speach. TCN wants the student to sign an agreement that the student will never say anything against TCN for the rest of the student's life or TCN is owed from the student a minimum of $1,000 for each breach. The original contract has no such strings or requirements.
Also, TCN will try to keep a percentage of the contract as an 'educational fee' that can be applied to another program. However, in California, there are no other programs available and the student should be the person to decide if they want to apply to another program associated with TCN not TCN. Recently when TCN went to court in San Diego the middle of March 2013 to represent itself in a small claims suit, the judge heard both sides and then asked the TCN representative if he had brought its checkbook because the judge was certain that TCN wanted to do the right thing, i.e., honor the contract. The student won the small claims lawsuit for the maximum small claims amount of $10,000 plus court and fees. TCN has 30 days to appeal the judgment and in a week or so the appeal timeframe will end.
If you are a California student who signed a TCN contract, you do not have to settle for less than $10,000 plus court and filing fees. The contract is iron clad and the courts have ruled that TCN has to honor the contract.
- The program you describe is not ISU's LVN to BSN program--or was. The program you describe sounds like Excelsior. The TCN program required clinicals as well as classes. The clinicals were normal nursing school clinicals with no shortcuts--or at least by California nurse practice act and the California Business and Professions Code there were not supposed to be short cuts. It was the shortcuts and timesheet fraud uncovered Spring 2012 that the VA nursing instrutors at the Long Beach Medical Center practiced and then the ISU nursing administrations' cover-up that caused the CABRN to investigate the ISU LVN to BSN program. The CABRN's attorney found in 2012 that the CABRN had been mislead when ISU applied for approved status and continued to mislead the CABRN during its investigations. The attorney found that the CABRN would retroactively remove the ISU LVN to BSN program going back to the initial approval in 2007. from the approved CABRN schools.
- Quote from LunahRNISU and TCN are intimately involved and TCN is an associate of the ISU nursing program. In fact, the studyguides that ISU is fostering upon new students are written by ISU nurses or administrators. ISU and TCN are so intimately involved that at the California BRN meeting in which the CABRN attorney made his ruling against ISU, TCN represented itself as well as ISU at the meeting.Excelsior College has no relationship with TCN ... they actually warn students about third-party publishers, etc.: Exam Preparation Advisory - excelsior.edu
This is a hard, hard lesson that many people learn. When you sign a contract, it's just that -- a contract. An obligation. This is why I research everything to death before I sign -- because if it sounds "too easy," it probably isn't. The OP was lucky in that he/she was able to reach a settlement, but not all people will be so lucky -- many are held to their obligation that they incurred when they signed a contract. As with everything in life, caveat emptor! And I always tell EC students who have signed TCN contracts and who are upset at spending all that extra money that the best "revenge" is success in the program! Get some return on your investment.
Ironically, I got a postcard in the mail from TCN about 2 months after I graduated, and it was like, "Hey paramedic, want to be an RN in about 18 months?" Hahahaha.
- Quote from RNtoNPwithfaithDoes the back of your contract state that if you were never admitted into the program TCN will refund full contract price? This is the contract statement that many of the recently scammed students are making TCN live up to. Since the CABRN has stated that there is no nursing school and should have never received approval in 2007, the ISU students can not be admitted--for those who were not in the program. You stated you started your TCN studies in 2003. The ISU program did not get approval until 2007. Did you study for the ISU challenge exams?@karmabrown
I feel like your post was an answered prayer. I signed up for TCN as an LPN back in 2003 to attempt to get my RN. Needless to say, I was never satisfied with their program-everything from the "binders" to the structure of the program. I paid 2k back, took 1 exam and these "no good-----" decided after 9 years to bing a judgement against me and sue me for 7K (that included all accrued interest)!!!!!!!!!!!! So, as angry as I possibly could've been-I had to begin paying them $250/monthly or face garnishment of my wages -which in Ohio is 25% of my disposable income. As an RN charge nurse at a local medical center, I made great money and 25% was going to kill me! So, I continued my arrangement with their "attorney" until my BSN student loans came due and I was up to my neck in loans bills. Long story short, I stopped making payments, and was once again sent garnishment papers from my local county clerk of courts. I sent the "emergency hearing" paper back to the courts so that I could speak with the magistrate about a $50/mon payment that I could manage well. I never heard back from them and not only 2 weeks ago the attorney had my bank account "frozen" and they took almost $1,000.00!!!!!!!!!! I was devastated to say the least. So...4 phone calls later, I am completely out of my 1,000.00 they got, cannot fight that...but u still owe another 3K!!!! The attorney, once again, had me go into an agreement that I would pay $50/month on the 1st of each month! They wouldn't except $50 before!!!!!! Ugh!!!!! HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is there still hope for me to write the IN attorney general and somehow settle that 3K they say is owed to them! For what? They don't deserve another dime from me! They did nothing for me. It's not as if it was loan money and I spent the darn money! I just got boxes and boxes of binders for Gods sakes.
I wouldn't....in a gazillion years ever recommend TCN to anyone, EVER! It could only be a matter of time before they are forced OUT of BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!!
- May 9 by mammasewsThe three day clinicals are Excelsior and are held in WI. The clinicals through Indiana State University are held at a location near where you live and you set them up for so many hours per week. TCN offers pre-requesite classes for entrance to Indiana State University. If you don't have all the classes needed for entrance to Indiana state, they help you take them online at a much lower cost than the university. I know quite a few people wo are using TCN and are very satisified with them. C A is one of the states that doesn't recognize TCN.
- May 9 by PMFB-RNThe three day clinicals are Excelsior and are held in WI.
*** Wisconsin is one of the places.
I know quite a few people wo are using TCN and are very satisified with them. C A is one of the states that doesn't recognize TCN
- May 9 by mammasewsI don't know what TCN is recognized as in other states. I went to the ISU web site and on there in the nursing application it does mention TCN and its modules. I did look at my cancellation papers and I have until Sun. 5/12 at midnight to cancel my contract. I faxed in my cancellation to corporate this evening, called my recruiter, I am calling the company tomorrow so I have a name, and mailing my certified signiture required letter tomorrow. I'm sure they will cancel my contract since I am in the allowed time frame. I don't need any hassles in my life at this time.
I applied for the part time RN program at a local community college and since I already have my LPN license I will probably get into the program. TCN does sound like it gives people the help they need and the classses they need to get into ISU but all the negative comments gave me concern. Luckily I was in the time frame to cancel the contract.